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Comments (20)Always loved the parkway. It was such a good place to get all my phone calls done, being I didn't have to watch where I was going......AT AN IDLE!! :-) I used to live just off of it.... literally-- I lived in a house right at the end of the southbound exit ramp on Wheelers Farms Road in Milford, going back about 20 years ago!! :-) It was a terrific place to live-- Some people have to worry about vibration from passing trains. me, I had to worry about the shaking from CH-53 Helicoptors flying over from across the river at Sikorski while training pilots!! (for those who don't know, those are the helos that you see carrying TANKS)...See MoreThree Day Flood Tests - Kerdi or Hydro Ban
Comments (54)These forums are for people looking the learn. Looking for answers. You waste a lot of effort keeping tabs on me and you only further my cause. Every time you post you keep the thread active. The search engines monitor this activity and rank it even higher. Thank you Alice. Please keep after me. Maybe point out my poor grammar or sentence structure. Flood testing your showers is so important. Look at the shear number of threads in these pages with people in tough spots. Families grinding it out every day and then are faced to repair a "Crappy" job - when they where looking for "Turn Key" home and maxed out their lending to do so. It's not fair. No No No. I'm bring awareness to a code required inspection. Not a Water Test. But a 24 - 72 hour flood test that is inspected by the city. Code. Fact. Look it up. How many "Flood Tests" have you seen mentioned in these pages? It's not the fun stuff. It's not shinny? It does not come in "Off White" or "Bright White". It's boring. It holds up the job. It costs more. Things can go wrong and then cost more again. Why talk about it? BECAUSE IT IS A CODE REQUIRED STEP and one that protects not only you but the people you sell your home to. Kids bathe there. Think about it. I'm sorry if it is not "Cyber Space Friendly" but the system is broken and the proof is behind every black piece of Silicone... You might be breathing it right now. You baby might sleep up against that wall. Think about it. Do more. It's easy. Just work harder. My thoughts, John Whipple...See MoreIs Vapor barrier needed behind Durock when using Kerdi membrane?
Comments (14)Everything always has a bit of natural "drying" ability. Spill a little water on your floor and it'll evaporate. Set up a slow drip and if the rate of accumulation outpaces the rate of evaporation you'll end up with water damage. Same with moisture in house walls. Moisture vapor can be driven into wall assemblies, mostly via air movement. Some insulations are better at restricting air movement than others. Foam and dense-packed cellulose are great air infiltration barriers, fiberglass is not so good. When moisture vapor does get into walls, some wall assemblies can "hold" the moisture better than others. Cellulose can hold moisture fairly well, fiberglass insulation not so well. Same with liquid moisture. Liquid moisture can get into walls via a leak in the plumbing, cracked grout, a roof leak, etc. When moisture gets into an assembly, it needs a way to escape. It usually escapes via the same path it entered. Moisture is accumulated during a wetting cycle, and given up during a drying cycle. If the wetting exceeds the drying, then over time you get water damage. Rot, mold, etc. Building science generally recognizes the idea of wetting and drying cycles. It recognizes that some materials hold moisture better than others. It recognizes that moisture may get into assemblies. Because of that, we also want to provide a back door through which it can escape in case it can't exit through the way which it entered. That's why building code prohibits two vapor barriers in a wall assembly. Moisture that gets in could be trapped between the two barriers, creating what's referred to as a "moisture sandwich." There's a way in but not enough of a way out. I certainly understand there are all sorts of "but what if..." and "but how could it..." on this subject. But that's the short long answer. The long long answer is really long...and evolving. Just like building science....See MoreKerdi Shower Part Three
Comments (44)jcorn1 - Glad your test was successful! And sorry to hear about your friends problem. Curious though as to how they knew it had a leak when the tile had been started, but not finished. Did they do a test then with only part of the tile laid but the shower not finished? Was their install done by someone with Schluter experience or was it a DIY job? Just curious. I will have a water test done by the tile setter, but I doubt it will be a 48-50 hour test! What I may do is a test of my own for that extensive length of time AFTER the shower is completed. I have a one year guarantee, and if that shows a problem, I would call them back quickly and make them rip it out and redo it. And hopefully we could still get extra tile to match the rest of the room at that point. Not sure about the Schluter warranty info you got over the phone. All I could see on their website was info saying that doing such a test was "recommended". I looked at the warranty info on their website and didn't see anything specific about a water test; it just said material had to be installed in accordance with the handbook and "industry standards". The install handbook says that water testing is "strongly recommended to verify a successful installation". I guess they would point to that, but other sections of their website and literature make a big deal about how you can set tile right away. In one place, it says water testing MAY be performed and says it is a BEST PRACTICE. And the water test is technically not part of the install and would not affect the outcome - its just a way to verify a good install. It could be that if water testing is required by local code, they would point to that as a reason to void the warranty, but otherwise I think it would be a tough argument. In any case, there's no way I want to experience a failure after the tile has been laid, so I agree that it's good insurance - but definitely not a 100% sure thing if failure may only show after 50 hours!...See MoreRelated Professionals
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