Jeri, figured as much. Since you have had experience with that awful stuff, what do you do? So far I cleared an area for hosta lining my steps the hard way, digging and pulling, tearing out as many runners as possible, then covered with 6 layers of newspaper and mulched w/decaying leaves. Bought me some time. In the flower bed that has the worst of it (new and tilled, stirs up seeds, see why people are doing lasagna planting), I used up two containers of Grass B Gon (Ortho - fluzifop act ingred), stuff isn't that expensive but with all I have yet, would get to be pretty high. Put newspapers all around the border only and finally got finished mulching it, probably could have done it as soon as I had sprayed but wanted to be sure. It works great though! It does take awhile, like up to 2 weeks. Whatever impact GBG has on the environment, I don't think should be too awful, compared to the other nasty stuff we've been discussing. I just read the thread about netting for JB's. May just try that next year. Oh, I'm going to lose one of those Reine des Violettes, will see if I can get credit, and will see if I can get the other one through the winter, got in ground, chlorotic symptoms disappeared for now, picked off more BS leaves, looks pretty good but vulnerable still, mulched well and will winter protect that baby. I got it in a good spot, sunny but part shade, blooms are dark, will love that one if it matures and thrives.

never said i found no "shoots" but found no separate seedlings. it is not a vining plant like l. japonica and does not run. the clump has expanded somewhat from the central base but that is it as far as invading around my area. i'm not trying to encourage anyone to plant invasives but just giving an observation from experience. i walk the woods around the house regularly and don't find strays of this plant there. very few seeds mature on my plant and i pick them off. they are easy to see when they turn from green to red. layla, i meant i have a bee hive in a tree in the woods. they took up residence in a cavity of a live tree several years ago. that is what i meant by "near by". i guess they ignore my camellias in winter since most of them are c. japonicas in rose-form, formal-double or similar and don't have the open shape with exposed stamens. my c. sasanquas that bloom in the fall are attractive to insects, though, since they present the pollen in a more easily accessible position.

Thanks, holiday-ers! Yes, cardinals are just so beautiful & esp when they are combined with new white fluffy snow...can't beat that combo! tugs, I have been making photo cards for lots of yrs. Thanks, everyone, for your gracious comments. The "Rowe Pottery" (pine pc & vase behind it) are made here in the midwest in Cambridge, WI...Google it sometime...they do beautiful work! I just LOVE the feel of pottery...looking at it & handling it...it's a comfort. I have a 3rd fuzzy sheep buried in my Holiday tubs int he garage so will have to wait til next yr to add him to the empty space on shelf where I took down the ceramic "chubby" guy. That reminds me: chubby sheep, chubby sheep, chubby sheep! Ok, OA? You are TOO FUNNY, woman! LOL! Thanks, everyone! Jeanne S.

just: will the lattice be on the sides where the heat pumps are to block the view and then open to the yard? Not sure how it will be but GLAD I AM that it was a help to you. That is what I love best about this forum...thinking outside the box. Post pics as it gets made...we love pics ! cat THANK YOU !!! ...you can't buy the nice 4" square lattice as far as I know. Our carpenter took a good piece of treated wood ( he goes through the pile till he finds what he likes) and then he cuts ALL those strips...better him than me LOL. He then uses the nail gun w/ teeny tiny nails to attach them to the frame and then each other. There are a LOT of nails. It is never going to rot that is for sure. If you want any more details I will be glad to get them. He is making a lot more lattice for me...4...6ftx4ft panels that we are placing in other areas as well as a piece for the side of the carport pergola so the plants can climb...lots more to be done. c