I don't know how tall it will get for you, but what about Field of Woods aka Rhode Island Red? My mother lives in midTN zone 6b/7a has this one. It blooms well for her, is healthy, repeats, and does it all with minimal care. YMMV

Thank you Karen! That is 1 I've always wanted. I've just wondered about the health if I could grow it. I wonder from whom she bought it.

She's had it for so many years I'm not sure I remember. The only thing I can tell you is that it isn't grafted. I'm not sure whether that would be helpful to know or not.

Anyone grow Red Eden?

My nearby rose friend likes Red Eden a lot. At his old house he had a Fields of the Wood own root plant he got from me which did very well for him. I like FOTW..it really is healthy and the blooms have a beautiful, rounded shape. Should be pretty hardy.

FOTW

My friend also has a stunning Red Cascade on a black obelisk. Dianeinal also has a great one on a black obelisk. If you like singles, Fourth of July is stunning in bloom.

Tess of the d'Urbervilles can reach the top of an arbor. It's a good bloomer.

Thank you so much for that further information on fields of the woodAlso called Red cocker... SomethinI wonder what the repeat is? I do love red cascade End Test TESS ,,, both of which I have. Like July 4 also but do not think it would look Very good next to Raspberry cream twirl Which I was trying to grow up this same place but I don't think it will get taller enough. I need a rose that could possibly get to 14'. This is for an arbor on the side of a porchSo quite a few 'Just to the top The arbor starts. It's not really an arbor I'll see if I can post a picture. This is not the picture of my friend's friend's house but This is what we will be doing.

I mention red eaten because matt does have it In stock. Eden

Nur Mahal is another red with good vigor. I think of it as a cherry red but it would probably look ok with Raspberry next to it.

! Wow! I somehow did not realize that MNM NN Is they climber! How is the repeat question question? Is it good for black spots?

It will be similar to this Similar height from the ground also which to the top Of the Gutter is 14'.

Vapor, I'm not sure if you're talking to me...you said you didn't realize MNM NN is a climber. I don't know what you're referring to. If you mean Nur Mahal, hmf has it as a shrub up to 10'. I think it can be pruned as a climber but mine was not 14'. I have not grown any red climbers that were 14' tall. In your zone I'm guessing that could be especially tricky since roses aren't always cane hardy. A grafted rose might have more vigor and get that tall or just one that wants to get really big but I don't know of any red ones. You already know about some such as New Dawn. Oh, Quadra is one that might get big enough. Mine's not very old but it has a lot of vigor. I was happy to see it repeating recently. I got mine from Hortico on multiflora.

My Nur Mahal is very cheery but definitely a shrub not even 4 ft tall.

In central Florida, 'Nur Mahal' on 'Fortuniana' roots will easily make 10', if supported. Here it is in Florida Southern College's Ruth's Rose Garden.

I don't have a picture, but I did purchase the red climber, Cherry Frost. The flowers are small, but are bloom in huge clusters. It's beautiful. https://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.81506

Erasmus, Sorry about the confusion. I was addressing you but I cannot edit when I put something down so I just went with it. That is interesting on the different sides between The 3 of you. I sometimes sometimes think it depends on Or not a rose has a support to grow upS2 whether or not it climbs. I have considered nirmahallFor many years But more for my back hill.

Bellarosa com,, I've seen cherry frost for sale. I think heirloom carries it amongst other red climbers. You are the 1st personI recall who grows it... Have you had it long ? I know you are in a colder zone but how tall has it grown ?

I purchased Cherry Frost this past Spring from Menards. It's still in it's original pot, so I can't share any info other than it blooms for a long time. I'm hoping to plant it out tomorrow now that our temps are cooling off a bit. Helpmefind lists it as growing 6' tall, which is fine for my short trellis..

I didn't even check at menards this year. It does look like a winner since it is hardy perhaps it would grow taller in a warmer zone.

Vapor, I think you're right that having a support can make a climber happen. I have some roses near trees that I thought were shrubs but they threw out some canes that went up into the trees and then made tall climbers.

My Nur Mahal is own root here. Dr. Manners' rose looks glorious as a climber. I have actual Fortuniana, but no roses grafted on it here.

Has anyone had lady in red grow very tall ? Does it stay healthy for you in a black spot environment ?

Vapor, I seem to recall that Ben grows Lady in Red. IIRC, he's posted some amazing photos of his, and had great things to say about it! (H***z wouldn't let me tag him)

Vapor, I have 2 Lady in Red roses both bought last year. The grated one is growing faster. Bith are BS prone in my area, but bloom heavily and continuously even in hot summer days. Following is the grated one I took last week.

You capture the intensity Of the red quite well. Maybe Ben can comment how tall his gets since he's had it for a while. Mine was sprayed with round-up and died Before it made it through Through 2 years.. Thanks for trying to tag Ben Susan.. Maybe who's will work on that next !!

I looked up Florentina and Red Eden on hmf and both sound excellent, with Red Eden getting up to 15' tall. Lots of excellent ratings.

Dublin Bay is a true red, very bright. It's vigorous but I don't know about 14'. Excelsa is a good rambler but it's a once bloomer. It's healthy and would have flexible canes. Nur Mahal is not immune to blackspot but isn't especially bad.

Ok, I looked up Dublin Bay and it said it can get up to 12' which is pretty good.

I grow it as a shrub. It gets a lot of excellent ratings on hmf including health, vigor and disease resistance.

Sheila, what is that red rose, maybe a climber, you grow as a big shrub? I used to grow it but can't remember the name. Christopher in the NE grows it. It's bs resistant but may get some other leaf blight sometimes and it's very fragrant. Big nicely shaped blooms. I'm thinking the leaves looked kind of like a tea.

I grow Cadenza, Florentina, General Gallieni (Tea), Tess of the de Urbervilles, Don Juan erasmus. Also Papa Gontier and Cramoisi Superieur.

I grow of have grown most of the reds mentioned here. Obviously Quadra will eat any support you provide it but it's a cherry pinkish red and very thorny. Totally hardy and once established reblooms well.

Florentina is glorious and everything you're asking for but you say you already have it.

Take a close look at Canadian Shield - it's the same deep red glorious bloom with rapid hardy growth and no disease that I can see. It gives Florentina a run for its money in coverage of an arch and blooms its heart out in a cold part shade spot. I got mine from Hortico this year.

Fields of the Wood is trouble free and blooms well in sun - no disease that I can see and totally hardy. Rose Petals Nursery is where I got mine this year. It is a mostly red color that stays mostly red.

Ramblin' Red might be related to FotW (or not) but it's another hardy red climber. Might pink out a bit more but mostly red.

Dublin Bay has been reliable for me if grafted but not own root. It isn't a huge climber but will stretch up to 6-8' or so.

I've had Red Cascade and once it gets going it's relentless in bloom and growth. Hardy and a red to cherry red. Just make sure to keep the canes going sideways or you'll get blooms only at the tips.

I have liked Cherry Frost and it's robustly hardy in my zone 5/6 garden. The blooms are small like Red Cascade and since it's available at local box stores I have opted for it over Red Cascade. Mine was new before Rosemageddon so I only know about 2 years of growth.

Lady in Red is very finicky in my zone and I wouldn't try it unless grafted. It's a long shot for being a climber because it rarely has surviving cane. Others have grown it OK as a small bush.

Don Juan is another finicky one in my climate for winter survival but it's sold at big box stores and not expensive if you want to gamble. It's marginally better in my opinion than Blaze improved that pinks out and isn't that hardy either.

I have yet to find a red Austin that climbs for me, so Tess stays a modest bush for me.

Nur Mahal is cane hardy for me in a pinkish red but tops out at 5-6 feet on a self-sustaining narrow bush. I can't see it as a climber but it's possible.

I've worked for years to get Red Eden to survive winter and I might have managed it this year. I don't expect a lot of climbing but I want some blooms.

Those are the ones that come to mind!

Cynthia

Good report, Cynthia. Your climate is probably a bit closer to OH than mine ( NC) Dublin Bay does well own root here but I have not tried letting it climb.

Sheila, the rose I was thinking of is Orfeo. I thought you had a big plant of it.

Hmf says it's hardy to 6b. There is at least one pic of it climbing on something.

Wow! Such great suggestions from everyone. Sorry I can't reply sooner I am not With an easy access of WiFi at the moment. I have to look at Canadian shield. Fields of the wood and rambling red. I had not Much about Canadian shield prior. Don Juan Lady in red Do not grow large. I already have done 1 and this new rose will go in his place I will just move him somewhere else where he can stay small. Climbing crimson glory is another 1 that is not reliably hardy here. Thanks if you want. Keep it coming I wish I could just plant Mills. heritage in this place but it sort of clashes with Wood siding.

Thank you sheilasheila Erasmus. I was racking my brains for that rose of Christopher's. I thought I knew all of his roses and completely forgot about orpheo. It was on my list from the 1st year! How soon how soon we forget. I'll have to look up and see what he wrote about it in New Jersey with black spot pressure and growth. Thank you for the info on Rambling red painting out. I want something deeper Here. It will be growing between condenser Raspberry cream twirl...... Condenser CANDENZA.

Vap,

I think Lady in Red would get to 10 ft or so if allowed. It is listed as a compact climber and I suppose it is compared to some of the giants. What I liked was that it was extremely bushy/dense for climber, lots of stems always with bloom clusters at the end, so constantly in bloom.

Erasmus, how could I forget Orfeo. Always blooming. Very velvety gorgeous blooms.

Jeez you guys! Where have you been hiding these pictures? That lady in red and orpheo Or gorgeous pics ! Do you get much black spot there sheila? Ben, did you grow that in Texas or in California? I know you had a lot of black spot in California in Texas butNot California Not you also. Correct? You also sprayed. Correct?

That Orfeo is unreal...see why I remembered it? I think I need to grow it again.

I looked up Orfeo again on hmf and came across Christopher's comment and picture. I hope he wouldn't mind me quoting him.

" I have several canes at least 15' in length now (November 2014), wrapping around and weaving into this scalped Callery pear. At the base of 'Orfeo', on either side of it, are two Clematis -- 'H. F. Young' and 'Henryi', both using 'Orfeo' as their trellis into the tree. The blooms have the shape of 'Curly Pink' (its mom), color almost as dark as 'Guinee' (its dad), and the scent of its grandparent 'Crimson Glory'. "

Sheila, I hope you'll add your pictures of Orfeo to hmf...your whole plant pic would be the most outstanding among them and really shows what that rose can do. Sounds like with 15' canes it could make a great climber. I think the default 6b hardiness designation is just a guess, so possibly it would be hardier than that. Cynthia, or other cold zoners, have you tried it?

Sheila, what a rose!! I need to look up Orfeo. What a rose!!! Oh, I said that already. 😆

Vapor, it is very dry here. BS is not a major issue here. Orfeo is very healthy.

I do grow Red Eden, my plant is young , I’m very happy with it, repeat has been very good at the end of canes, and it’s not tall enough to train laterally. I’ve been told by someone in Alabama that repeat along the laterals is excelletn. Red Eden has a moderate scent, much more fragrant that Florentina or Lady in Red, probably about same as Don Juan. Video of young plant below

I grew Lady in Red in Texas, I did spray, performance was excellent.

Ben, Do you grow any of the other reds That heirloom offers? It seems like they have a lot I've never even heard of And no 1 has ever mentioned. Your video was amazing as usual. Thank you so much Sheila Julie harassmus. Exactly exactly this sort of information I was looking for. Excuse this stupid Voice system.. Who is erase my type typing And I can't use my phone at all for this So it's the best I can do.

Wow, I am also incredibly impressed with that Orfeo picture Sheila as well as Ben's experience with Lady In red. It's not that it can't get to that height, it's just that here it doesn't hang onto enough cane from a cold winter to climb much for me.

I did have Orfeo for several years and it put out a spindly cane or two about 6' long with the occasional beautiful dark red bloom. It survived our winters for several years but wasn't robust. I think it might climb OK if it were grafted but no idea where to get that these days. I think I got mine from Rogue Valley and I don't see anyone on hmf who have it grafted.

I also grew Santana with similar results, BTW. Now that we're as much as a zone warmer I might try it again, and the difference between me at (previously) zone 5 and Vapor in zone 6 might be enough to make a difference in winter survival.

I looked over the rest of Heirloom's red climbers and I've grown most of them at one time. I had a Prince's Trust for several years from Roses Unlimited and it put out reasonably good growth with some winter dieback, but it was next to Florentina and didn't really shine in comparison. I think it died after about 3 winters own root. Crimson Sky is one I tried that was about as hardy as Red Eden and probably would work best grafted for me. I agree that Climbing Crimson Glory isn't particularly robust.

From Heirloom, I haven't tried Cherry Garland but when even Heirloom lists it as zone 6 it's probably iffy in my winter for climbing, like Lady in Red. Courageous I haven't tried either but it has someone posting from the Czech Republic zone 5 that was successful, so it might be worth a gamble. I haven't tried Dortmund because I don't care much for that white eye, but it's supposed to be reliably hardy. Altissimo is also supposed to be very hardy and striking as a single bloom but I haven't tried it. I can't imagine that climbing Etoile de Hollande is hardy in my zone but I've never tried it. I think the regular EdH died on me once or twice.

I'm presuming you want to stay away from the orange-reds like Salita or Orange Flare? I've had Salita many years grafted and it does well at holding its canes over winter but doesn't branch out all that much in laterals where I have it in part sun.

I would still predict most of them to have less robustness than Florentina, Canadian Shield, Rambling Red or Fields of the Wood. All of those are cane hardy without any trouble in our winters and regular bloomers for me. Altissimo or Dortmund also might be equivalent in their blooms in cold zones.

Cynthia

I thought I'd update after receiving such fantastic responses. I hope no one's too upset with my choice after all the effort everyone put into this thread. I revised my opinion on MH with the future siding colour and since my girlfriend is dithering on planting some of my excess roses (including Mel), I decided to plant it in this spot. It was a disaster on my driveway metal fence, falling into the drive and preventing parking next to the fence. Even with occasional die-back it's a monster with tiny thorns. I am so happy to have him out and plan to transplant Cl. Clotilde Soupert in his place.. It's always musical roses around here!!! Unfortunately, there was no other space for Mel.😕

In anticipation, my friend suprised me when I went to help after he planted Mel....he had made and installed the trellis! Now we just need to tie up Mel. It looks just like the example I showed prior and makes such a diffeerence in his porch . I can't wait to see him in bloom next Spring!

Pics of trellis with the Mel cocoon :

Glad you were able to make a decision! Mel's Heritage is a wonderful rose and I'm sure it'll do well for you here. Its canes are more flexible than many so it's a good fit for your wonderful trellis. Keep us posted with pictures in the next season!

Cynthia