Compare Evelyn to Abraham Darby & sulfate of potash to stop diseases
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Comments (35)jerome Abraham Darby is very wimpy in my zone 5 & high-rain climate as own root. But my 12th-year-own root Evelyn is the healthiest & most vigorous and give me the most blooms among my 160 own-root roses. Evelyn beats Dee-lish in the number of blooms it produces since Evelyn repeats faster than Dee-lish. Agree with Noseometer's note that Evelyn is lanky, smell like peaches, and fades to near white. I have version #1 Evelyn which is grown as short shrub rather than a climber: chuckurso1 and noseometer...(7A, SZ10, Albuquerque) I have Abraham Darby (obtained as own root from Noseometer). Abe. can look the same as Evelyn, but leaves & growth habit & thorns and scents are different. I have version #1 Evelyn as 12th-year-own-root (as shown in below 2011 David Austin Handbook as open-stamens). My Evelyn is a short shrub with VERY FAST repeat, 3 long-flushes in my zone 5 short summer: Below is my 12th-year-own root Evelyn, leaves are smaller than Abraham Darby. Evelyn's scent is old rose and sweet peaches, versus HARSHER and SHARPER grapefruit and melon scent in Abraham Darby (scent stinks up in the vase). There's a mutation of Evelyn, or version #2 Evelyn as a climber and buttonhole bloom, as shown in below 2016 David Austin handbook: Noseometer is right about: " Evelyn is lanky and more open, with fewer and smaller leaves that are more widely spaced." Below are SMALL, PALE young leaves on my Evelyn, note the thorns are more red: Below middle leaflet is Evelyn. Left and right leaflets are Abraham Darby (darker green and LARGER LEAVES). Deer and rabbits never eat Evelyn, but they devour Abraham Darby, so I taste the leaves. Evelyn leaves are very bitter, but Abraham Darby's leaves are mild and succulent like collard green leaves ... retains more water in the leaves so Abraham Darby is prone to sawfly damage and blackspots in my high-rain climate. Noseometer is right about Abe is bushy with bigger leaves. Below are young leaves on Abraham Darby (prone to blackspots in my poor drainage clay and high rain climate). David Austin stated that Abe. bloom is cup-shaped, and my Abe. has LESS petals at 70 (as stated in Austin handbook), compared to my Evelyn with 100 petals. Below is my cup-shaped Abraham Darby bloom with LESS petals but more open stamens and SHARPER grapefruit scent: Click on below pic. from 2011 Austin handbook on Abraham Darby: Evelyn and Abraham Darby can look similar to each other, and it's even more confusing with 2 mutations or sports of Evelyn (one is a short shrub with open stamens and fast repeat, the other is a climber with buttonhole blooms). See below links: Compare Evelyn to Abraham Darby & sulfate of potash to stop diseases (houzz.com) Another Just For Fun - Evelyn or Abe? (houzz.com)...See MoreCalling all Abraham Darby fans!
Comments (156)@dave5bWY - Thanks, he's about as perfect as a rose can be, quirky nature and all. @Gardengal - I've grown him in a 20" pot and he did well, but he didn't grow as big as in the ground. @oursteelers - thanks! @Heather RR - Good luck! We don't have blackspot or rust here, but I hear those can affect Abe. With your moisture, he will probably do even better for you than for me! @erasmus_gw - Your Abe is so gorgeous! Yours seems to be more pink. Funny how Abe does that. @Melissa Kansas - Try him, and let us know how he does! My "soil" (sand, really) isn't quite that alkaline. My Abe seems to love chicken byproduct fertilizer, Jobe's Organic and DA rose food in particular. The other brands, not as much (even though they were also chicken byproduct), and not so much with other fertilizers. He turned his nose up at fish emulsion, and he didn't care for alfalfa pellets or MiracleGro fertilizer....See MoreWhich roses do you love or hate?
Comments (113)Alfie That hardened chunk is calloused and will sprout roots eventually. Some rooting hormone like Kristine suggested might help. In rooting roses, using Homex #8 powder usually produce roots in 2 weeks. In my decade of rooting roses, what you showed is quite common with HARD WOOD cuttings taken in the fall. The center of the bush has harder wood than the side-branches. For that reason cuttings taken from THE OUTSIDE BRANCHING of the bush have more chance of growing roots. The center axis of the bush is harder wood with more nitrogen storage for shoots and leaves. The side-branches have more potassium and phosphorus for blooming; thus the side-branches tissue have more chance of rooting. Potassium and phosphorus are essential to form roots. A 2nd reason for top growth but no roots: soil is too wet. Potassium for rooting is NOT available when soil is bone dry or soaking wet. A 3rd reason for top growth but no roots: NOT ENOUGH air in the rooting medium for root growth. My best success of rooting is 2/3 potting soil mixed with 1/3 perlite to introduce air to the soil. A 4th reason is hybrid tea like Chandos Beauty takes longer to form roots. In rooting a dozen varieties this year to sell & donate to charities, Austin water-hogs form roots 1st within 2 months, next is shrub (3 months), and last is hybrid tea (4 months or longer). Hybrid teas takes twice longer to root than Austins and floribunda. It's best to take cuttings from hybrid teas as SOFT WOOD (after 1st flush), rather than HARD WOOD (3rd flush). There's one hybrid tea that I failed to root for many years, it kept forming leaves and even buds but zero roots, that happened often with harder wood cuttings. This year I took cutting as softwood (right after 1st flush) and it rooted easily....See MoreBest Evelyn substitute?
Comments (53)Wellll, Flowers, I'm not sending any rose bushes to California or other areas, and end up in the jug for illegal plant exportation, or some other thing. Also as an ancient person, I don't have the energy to do such stuff, unless I want to give up gardening. But if you want to send me your gorgeous Abe, I will be a most happy recipient, and will post your bail if the Ag Dept comes after you. I'm sorry your posts have been disappearing. I thought maybe houzz had finally got the hint that we're onto them and their gremlins. Have you tried a different device to do your posting from? Perhaps, we should form a group to buy houzz bric a brac, so they would like the rose forum better, and make some money off us. Diane...See MoreRelated Professionals
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