Hello Wesley! First of all THANK YOU VERY MUCH for your reply; I have posted this message in many forums of Garden Web, as well as other Rose Forums (the Spanish Forum Infojardín, Peter Beales Discussion Forum and several websites such as HMF and Ashdown Roses) but I have not received any appropiate identification yet. In fact I have been trying to identify this rose since last year. That is why I have many pictures and detailed information. What I mean with "Bush Type" is that the rose grows and forms a dense bush, in reference to the growht habit of the plant but I think it may be a very primitive HT. Some time ago this year, Bruna Talodini, a retired professor of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology from Italy who is pretty interested in roses and in their history, was trying to find some information on the firm Gaetano Bonfiglioli e figlio, a breeder/nursery who worked in Bologna (the town where he lives in Italy) in XIX-XX century. Among his production there are ´Variegata di Bologna´, ´Clementina Carbonieri´, ´Garisenda´ and other lost or almost lost roses. Going through papers at the Camera di Commercio of Bologna he managed to find the story of the firm and, interestingly, he found that it had commercial interests in South America, in particular in Argentina. From 1920 to 1937 Enrico Bonfiglioli and many of his staff went here many time. So it may well be that, besides rose from french nurseries, in Argentina there might be also roses from Bonfiglioli, possibly lost roses of this firm (´Ricordo di Giosuè Carducci´, for example). So this could be another research line to take into account, but I am really confused and it has been many years and I still cannot identify it properly Anyway, THANKS again for your time and interest and keep in touch! Mariano

Lots of lovely whites here--I especially like the ones that get a soft, sheer glaze of pink or yellow across the center--like suebelle's Bolero and Beth's Ginger Hill, Victorian Lace, and White Gene Boerner. And I love full shapes like Suebelle's Bianca and Pat's Kronprinzessin Victoria--but I also love the poised shapely ones like Pat's Secret's Out--and Seil, I think your photo of the shapely Ivory Tower is one of the most beautiful photos you have ever shown us on this forum! And those delicate shades glowing softly on those blooms! I don't seem to have any special pics of whites--must work on that next summer. Couple stalwarts I rely on, however. Memoire (or Ice Cream)--nice white, fairly disease resistant, but nothing special, unfortunately. Popcorn Gourmet--this is that tough survivor we were discussing on another thread. Cutie too. Green Ice--This is a pic from several years ago--this mini sprawls a lot more now. I think that is about it. I do have a couple roses that bleach out nearly white in the hot summer sun, but I don't consider them real whites. Kate This post was edited by dublinbay on Fri, Feb 21, 14 at 9:30

Dear esteemed members, After more than 5 years, I am pretty sure that the pink blend rose is the white sport of “Madame Caroline Testout”, HT “Admiral Duwey” (1899). Although I have just received some pictures from the Sangerhausen, they were enough for me to identify my unknown rose as this old “Madame Caroline Testout” white sport. I would possibly discard some other related roses, such as “Frau Dr. Krüger” since it has golden-yellow undertones, borne mostly solitary and occasional repeat later in the season. My rose does not have golden-yellow undertones, usually blooms in clusters and has a profuse fall bloom. HT “Grossherzogin Victoria Melitta” has white or white blend flowers with a yellow center and a strong fragrance, while the unknown rose has not any yellow coloring and none to mild fragrance. “Mme Gustave Metz” could have been another possibility but it is too pink, at least in my humble opinion. Furthermore, it has a long pointed form while the unknown rose is more globular. “La Favourite” was also a globular HP, related with “Mme. Caroline Testout” and its descendants, with globular form and it is a good fall bloomer (like my rose), but it has a deep rose color that turns soft pink as the rose ages. Having said that, I am quite sure that the found rose from that old garden in BA is HT “Admiral Duwey” (John H. Taylor, 1899), although some more pictures would help me to confirm this properly. Any contribution would be highly appreciated. Greetings from Buenos Aires!

Thanks petaloid. These roses were actually sold by a small sidewalk vendor who bought them from a friend who bought them from a florist who bought them from one of the cut flower farmers somewhere in Baguio City, Philippines. As you can see, the vendor herself or her friend or the florist or the contract farmers don't have any idea. She just calls them big 'pink'roses and big 'white' roses. I would really appreciate an ID from others even just a guess as I like to know the names of the roses I buy. I buy these same roses for my vases 1 to 2 times a week so I would really like to know what their names are, having lived with them for years. tropical