Ah, but Nancy, if the Cattleya used as a parent was a C. skinneri or bowringiana, which have been changed to Guarianthe, then a former Epc is has now become a Guaricyclia (double ugh!) -- that is, if they didn't use a Prosthechea instead of a straight Encyclia/Epidendrum. If they used a Prosthechea fragrans (formerly Epi fragrans and Encylic fragrans), then you now have a Guarechea (triple ugh!) Now, your old Laeliocattleya are no longer so if they used a Laelia purpurata as a parent with a C. bicolor -- which now becomes a Sophrocattleya .... unless they used a Central American C. bowringiana, where it now becomes a Sophranthe hybrid. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. That's why they've asked Julian to slow down and quit changing all the hybrid names at the RHS until a decision was made as to whether they should be. At this point in time it almost makes their 100+ year old hybrid registry dysfunctional since they don't offer the old hybrid names at all which, are the ones we are still using -- dealers, judges and hobbyists.

I spent the day in the public garden I tend working on the last part that I am renewing. What was astonishing was the number of bulbs I dug up ( and put back) as well as the thousands of grape hyacinths. I have been dividing and moving plants today in anticipation of the rain (it just started)since I have no access to water there. Some of them I had underestimated like the Russian sage, so I moved them into sort of a hedge configuration. Also put in perennial chrysanthemums hoping that I can harvest some divisions next year to spread around. Put in orange tiger lilies as an experiment. Actually I divide mined and found twenty bulbs which I had no room for at home and so planted 12 of them there. Interestingly enough this garden is at the edge of a forest full of deer as well as fox and coyote wild turkeysgroundhogs, rabbits etc but the deer have never bothered the garden. They spent a great deal of time trying to get into the fenced vegetable garden there. I hope my luck holds

I try and be ginger with the ones that aren't as rampant growers (for me this includes Vitifolia) but for the insane ones (like Lavender Lady, which is in a 20" wide pot and has grown vines over 15' long!) I cut back to a reasonable length and wrap the remaining vine around the bamboo poles it is supposed to grow upon. ~Chills btw...L Lady is the only one I have not yet brought in for the season. Not having the time to do the necessary maintence is the reason why. I'm up to 8 varieties, 6 indoors, one to join them and one that stays out (actually I now have 6 incarnata in hopes that at least one will return)

It's been on my list for a while. Not an easy project tho. We have tons of blackberry and ivy and holly and European cherry to clear before anything can go in... literally tons.