Ah, but Nancy, if the Cattleya used as a parent was a C. skinneri or bowringiana, which have been changed to Guarianthe, then a former Epc is has now become a Guaricyclia (double ugh!) -- that is, if they didn't use a Prosthechea instead of a straight Encyclia/Epidendrum. If they used a Prosthechea fragrans (formerly Epi fragrans and Encylic fragrans), then you now have a Guarechea (triple ugh!) Now, your old Laeliocattleya are no longer so if they used a Laelia purpurata as a parent with a C. bicolor -- which now becomes a Sophrocattleya .... unless they used a Central American C. bowringiana, where it now becomes a Sophranthe hybrid. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. That's why they've asked Julian to slow down and quit changing all the hybrid names at the RHS until a decision was made as to whether they should be. At this point in time it almost makes their 100+ year old hybrid registry dysfunctional since they don't offer the old hybrid names at all which, are the ones we are still using -- dealers, judges and hobbyists.

turtleman, I'm resurrecting this older thread because I'm going to try my hand and some grafting. I'm hoping (crossing my fingers) to be able to get some Xie Shan and Ugli budwood from CCPP this June. And some third variety I have yet to decide upon. I've never grafted before, so this will be my first attempt. So, I'm trying to find good rootstock for my S. California area. Can you ship to California (I know there's talk of quarantine for AZ.) I will probably only have 36 total budwoods (3 varieties, 12 pieces). So, small order, but I'd sure like to try my hand at this. Patty S.

Here is the trick. If you imagine a 4 x 8' sheet of plywood cut in half to make two 4 x 4 sections. Now imagine these squares where you want to have your mature plumerias. Count the squares and do not buy more plants than you can fit squares. That way in ten years you are not sitting there giving away 8' plants because you have no room and your young ones are still growing. By the way, for beauty and scent, Kauka Wilder, Kimi Moragne, and Veracruz Rose are wonderful. Here is some eye candy........ If you could only smell the pictures (scratch-n-sniff). Now, just say, "hi my name is ________ and i am a plumeriaholic"

It's been on my list for a while. Not an easy project tho. We have tons of blackberry and ivy and holly and European cherry to clear before anything can go in... literally tons.