They're Lycoris radiata. Basically, I want to move three patches that are about four feet outside of the bed so that they fill in a missing patch in the bed. The only problem is that it's clay soil and they've been there so long I'm afraid of creating a bucket effect. I really can't decide if I should dig them all up and make a slightly raised bed there to match the other beds in my yard or just dig the outsiders up in big clay chunks and insert them in the missing spot. Or, if I should dig up the extras, separate them, and just make an amended bed that's not raised so it matches the rest and hope it doesn't create a bucket there. I've got to move them, but I really hope you guys can tell me what's the best idea. :) :) :) If that doesn't make sense, I can post pictures.

Oh, dear, I just found this thread and I hope I'm in time to plead for a reprieve for Martha Gonzales! Here's my story: I have Martha Gonzales, Mrs. Dudley Cross, Belinda's Dream, an unknown apricot/cream Austin that came with the house, and Francis Dubrieul planted together. Francis got blackspot and dropped every leaf, with the Austin and (gasp!) Martha G. following suit almost immediately. MDC got a few spotted leaves on the side next to the defoliated plants, but on the opposite side she remained disease free! BD, on the other side, lost a few lower leaves but she's already regrown. But here's the kicker: I have a couple of other Martha G.s across the yard from the naked one, and they're both fine! Furthermore, my second MDC, about 15 feet away from the diseased roses, has no trace of disease. Another bed across the way has SDLM, SDSA, original Gruss, and Felicia. Gruss usually loses half his leaves, but he and all his bedmates have all their leaves. It seems to me that whatever Francis had this year was something abnormally bad that his neighboring roses, normally resistant, couldn't cope with. But the good news was that it spread only to immediate neighbors but went no further. Now Martha and UNK Austin are growing new leaves, but I think I have to get rid of Francis. He's still nothing but sticks.

The red leaves at the top is new growth. As the leaves mature the turn maroon then will turn green if in the shade or covered by other leaves. It will stay maroon if in the sun.

I've never started them from seed but have grown from tubers or plants. I've had the best luck with the border type and the worst luck with the dinner-plate ones. The borders want some afternoon shade but not too much so it's a delicate dance. The foliage dies back in the winter leaving the tubers in the ground so I'm pretty sure your babies want some protection from the cold. Which variety or varieties did you plant?