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Corner stove or more cabinets?

Fun Remodler
last month

I have been working on kitchen plans for a remodel for a few months. We are doing a complet tear out and moving the window. My designer had the idea of a corner stove and I liked the idea, but then realized I’d be missing out on a lot of cabinet space. I asked them to come up with an alternative design as well. Do you think the look of a corner stove is worth the cabinet lose or does it not look that much nicer anyway? Does anyone have it and love/hate it?
If I do the stove on the straight wall, will it look off that it won’t be centered with the island? I don’t want the stove in the island. I have that now and hate it.
Also wondering if people like the spice rack pull out in base cabinets next to the stove? Seems like a nice idea, but does bending to see/get things get old? Or the utensil canisters in the pull out? Sorry for so many questions. Any advice is welcomed. Thank you.

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  • Fun Remodler
    Original Author
    last month

    Thank you all for your comments and insight. I will skip the corner stove and might make the uppers all even.
    We have 10 foot ceilings, so we wondered if that is too high to run them all the way up. Any thoughts?

    I’ll have to see what we could do with the pantry to maybe get more space there. I also wondered if that pantry helped tie in with the appliance garage on the opposite corner if we keep it there.

    That spice rack on the upper door looks handy too.
    Thank you!

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    The Kitchen Place
    last month

    You could go with 9ft or 10ft or anything in between. If it were my kitchen? I'd consider installing the uppers at 102, 108" or ......114" with a two piece crown to fill the last 6" at the top. You need to make sure the cabinets you are getting offer taller tall cabinets and taller upper wall cabinet options. Some brands only go up to 42"/96" cabinets. If that's the case, then you'd need to find another cabinet line that offers the taller options. I am not a fan of "stacking cabinets" if you don't have to. Instead, get the wall cabinets in 48" or 54" with a single layer of crown.....or 60" with a stacked crown to the ceiling.

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  • Fun Remodler
    Original Author
    last month

    Would cabinets to the cieling in a 10’ tall kitchen look good or too tall? I have been torn about that. My husband feels it would be too much and unusable. I am not sure.

  • Jenny
    last month

    Comments are made on this site that oven heat damages spices so those narrow pullouts are not a good choice for spices. Also, depending on the flow of your room, you may be better off with your fridge close to your sink (since you pull out food from the fridge, prep at the sink, then cook at the stove). In your present layout it looks like anyone raiding the fridge would get jammed up between it and the island and interfere with use of the stove.

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    The Kitchen Place
    last month

    I did a kitchen last year that was 11ft tall to the ceiling. Sounds like a lot...but In person, the kitchen is majestic!


    Tell hubby...going up to the ceiling isn't to be useable...it's for looks! LOL. There are tons of kitchens on Houzz that are 10ft to the ceiling. Just don't do the tiny "airplane" windows. Been overdone and it's over.






  • Fun Remodler
    Original Author
    last month

    That is a reasonable concern, Jenny. We could move the fridge opposite the sink and swap that with the appliance garage. Or would it be weird having it in the middle of the kitchen? We have a full freezer planned to go across the room from the fridge currently. Not sure if it balances in a good way where it is or if it doesn’t matter.
    Here are some pics to show you what I mean. The space that looks empty to the left of the kitchen (or bottom in the Birds Eye view) is where the dining table will go and a sitting area. That’s why we can’t extend the current fridge wall beyond 152” that it’s at here.

  • Emily R.
    last month

    I like my spices in a drawer next to my stove. They're on a 3-tier angled insert and you can see them all really easily. I'm also very short, so I'd rather have them counter-height than cabinet-height.

  • Fun Remodler
    Original Author
    last month

    Thank you The Kitchen Place. That does look nice. Is the windows in the pic what you’re saying is over?
    Emily R. The spice drawer sounds nice too!

  • Jenny
    last month

    I see your point, not sure there's a better place for it. It is often suggested that you go through a mental exercise of your family cooking their favorite meal - spaghetti and meatballs with a salad, for example. Bring the groceries home, put them away, prepare the salad, cook the spaghetti and meatballs, clean up. For a one butt kitchen it will definitely work. If more than one person is cooking, there will be challenges. I might see if the range can move to the right and the sink can move to the left. I'm not a pro, I'm sure they will have some good ideas for you. (Another vote from me to avoid the staggered cabinet look, it looks dated and chaotic.)

  • lharpie
    last month

    I would like fridge where sppliance garage is - you take things from fridge to sink to stove in that order usually. if you nix appliance garage you could also give the stove a little more space. i find cabs to ceiling with 10’ ceilings a little overbearing. it seems like a lot of extra money for space you won’t use, so only worth it if you love the look!

  • rebunky
    last month
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    I agree with Jenny. I would move the fridge to the far right of the sink run. I admit I am a little biased because have that exact L-shape with island kitchen layout, and it functions great! I almost put my fridge where you have it on the range wall and I am so glad I moved it to the sink side.

    Imo, having the fridge to the right of the sink flows so much better. Here is a fun thread on the cooking process described as Ice, water, stone, fire. We go from the fridge (ice) to the sink to wash (water) to the countertop to prep (stone) to the stove to cook (fire).

    https://www.houzz.com/discussions/2699918/looking-for-layout-help-memorize-this-first

    With the fridge on the sink side there is no crossing or intruding upon the cooking zone to access the fridge as Jenny mentioned. I also like that it is closer to the freezer as well.

    Moving the fridge would allow the range to slide to the left a little more so there is more counter space on either side. Also it allows more empty wall space on either side of the chimney style hood. It looks better with a little breathing room around the hood imho.

    You would then have room to make the pantry on the end wider with double doors with roll out trays inside. You could move the upper with appliance garage next to the narrow pantry instead, but I think I would skip it and store small appliances in the larger pantry instead.

    Definitely no staggered heights on the uppers and no angled corner cabinets. It is a very dated look. I am surprised any KD would suggest that. And why they would suggest a corner stove when clearly it is not necessary is beyond me.

  • Fun Remodler
    Original Author
    last month

    Thank you all, this is great advice! You have me convinced to move the fridge to the right of the sink. The appliance garage is to house our toaster and mixer. Hubby hates all the clutter of it being seen on the counter, so not sure we can eliminate that. Moving it where the fridge was planned would give 10” I believe to add to space next to the stove, which would be very nice. It seemed cramped before.

  • Jane
    last month

    for sure ditch the appliance garage and move the fridge to right of sink.

    use the cabinets to the right of freezer for spare appliances.. u could even out an outlet inside and out some on pull outs to use right there.

    go all the way 10” is not crazy high and leave 12-14” is just dirt collecting open space.. even of yiu just do glass on top to be not too heavy over the sink wall..

    the 90s called and asked the varied height cabinets back, so please dont do that

    please ditch the corner cabinets, wasting space and awkward


    good luck

  • latifolia
    last month

    @Fun Remodler

    Are you designing this by yourself? I've done several kitchens, but having a Certified Kitchen Designer is still a big help. A new kitchen is such a big, expensive project, and you likely won't get a second chance. A good designer listens to you and your family's needs and wants. It's well worth it.


  • Fun Remodler
    Original Author
    last month

    Thank you for your input. We are working with 2 designers, but at this point they are just asking for any changes I want to make. When I ask their opinions, they mostly just give me options. I appreciate that they are asking my input, but a little more help could be nice.

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    Patricia Colwell Consulting
    last month

    You need to get an actual independant kitchen designer not someone from the cabinet shop.First corner anything in a kitchen is not good design and the large drawers are mostly needed on either side of the range , not to mention crossing in front of the range to go from fridge to sink always bad design. Cabinets that sit on the counter waste valuable counter space . What you show is typical cabinet shop lazy design. Spices and oils never stored next to range. Ataggered height wall cabineyts have been dated for a long time . Please get the proper designer before you really waste more money.

  • Fun Remodler
    Original Author
    last month

    Thank you for your advice. I appreciate that.

  • AnnKH
    last month

    I had a spice cabinet like Latifolia - it was wonderful!

    When we remodeled the kitchen in our last house, one of the things I spent the most time on was the corners (it was U-shaped, so I had two of the buggers to deal with). There is a recent thread here about base cabinet lower storage - a ton of options.

    What helped me decide on the best option for us was to make a storage plan - I determined where EVERYTHING would go in the new kitchen, so that everything was stored near it's point of use: potholders, spices, and cooking utensils near the range; cutting boards, colanders and knives near the sink; dishes near the DW, etc. Things used less often did not get prime real estate.

    One of the goals of our remodel was to get stuff off the counters (I'm with your hubby on this, Fun Remodler!). To that end, I planned for knives in a drawer next to the sink; small appliances in a super susan (it was easy peasy to grab the toaster in the morning); canisters in a drawer. In my current kitchen, the toaster is in a drawer; it gets put away as soon as it's cool, and doesn't take up any counter space when not actually in use (unlike an appliance garage).

    My kitchen was not as big as yours, so I had to make efficient use of space. I ended up putting drawers in the corner between the range and sink, because the things I needed to keep there would not go in a lazy susan (cooking utensils, pots and pans, dish towels, for starters).

    I've never used a utensil pullout as you described, but I hate pulling utensils out of a crock on the counter, so I don't imagine I would like the same thing in a pullout. They seem to waste an awful lot of space. I keep utensils in a drawer, with dividers that I custom sized to fit MY stuff.



  • Fun Remodler
    Original Author
    last month

    That’s very helpful. The toaster in a cabinet is a good idea too. All makes good sense, Thank you! Do you have a good idea for the mixer? We had considered the mixer lift, but wonder about how strurdy it is.

  • AnnKH
    last month

    We keep our Kitchenaid mixer on the counter. Because of how heavy it is, I would use it a lot less if I had to take it out of the pantry or drawer. And I don't have enough cabinet space to devote one entirely to the mixer. Our old, lightweight mixer lived in the super susan.

    If you get rid of the appliance garage, you gain more than enough counter space to keep the mixer out!

  • Kendrah
    last month

    We keep our toaster in the top drawer of our base drawers. Super easy to lift out and put on the counter and put away. Yes, to a mixer lift if you have the space for it. If not, get a base cabinet with pull out shelf to stand mixer on. Locate this in the counter area where you will use the mixer. (This is what we have.)


    Our KD hates spice and canister pullouts and talked us out of them. Put tools in a nice wide top drawer with large dividers next to your stove. Nice spice pic from someone below.


    With your new design of range on wall, not corner, arrange so the banks of drawers on either side are much larger. Those short drawers are not very useful.


    Ditch the angled upper cabinet in the corner. No aesthetically pleasing, odd space inside, outdated. Make uppers same configuration as lowers.


    Your designer should have with you lengthy conversations with logic behind what you want and need - not just spitting out new drawings. Strangers online have given you in one day better advice than two designers with whom you have a relationship. This is a red flag and I feel concerned for you, your money, and your project. Do they really understand all the factors in window size and placement, distances, traffic patterns, and useage? Why have the not raised with you how to handle your 10 ft ceiling? I hate it when people on Houzz suggest you get a new designer. It is a super complicated suggestion to make off the cuff. And yet ...

  • Fun Remodler
    Original Author
    last month

    Thank you, that is good info. I agree I should find a new designer, but we live in a rural area with very limited options. Maybe to them, the outdated stuff is still in. 🤷‍♀️ We have another designer we worked with minimally. She doesn’t sell cabinets, but I’ve spent a fair amount of money on her and didn’t like her ideas. I also don’t think she is specifically trained in kitchen design, so may not know the specifics that many of you have pointed out. I appreciate all of the help I’ve gotten on her SO SO much and I’m not sure where to go from here for a designer.

  • rebunky
    last month
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    I played with a layout moving the fridge to right end of the sink wall. I am not a pro and this is not to scale, but I thought it might give you a jumping off point or spark other ideas.

    I could not read the overlapping measurements on your designers layout. I did see the range wall was 156”, so I tried to get the measurements right, but my math is terrible!

    On the range wall, I voided out the bottom corner. You will need 3” spacers so the drawers on the sides can open properly. I did two 24” drawer bases flanking the 30” range. The third cabinet on the left and the pantry can vary in sizes according to your preferance. I just made it another 24” drawer and then a 27” pantry cabinet.

    The wall cabinets start with a 24” “Easy Reach” cabinet in the corner, then two 18” cabinets flanking the hood. I made the hood 36” because it is nice when it is 6” wider then your range for better capture of cooking fumes. I think there was about 4.5” of wall space in between the hood and the 18” wall cabinets for breathing room, if you do the chimney style hood. Then I did a 24” upper above the 24” base cabinet. It could be with or without the appliance garage down to the counter.

    Sorry the writing is kind of blurry to read!


  • Fun Remodler
    Original Author
    last month

    Thank you so much for spending the time to help me and putting this together Rebunky! This is very helpful! I like the dish drawer in the island too. I was trying to figure out what I’d do with the dishes after moving the fridge to the right side, making that cabinet much smaller. And an over hang on the hood is also a good idea. Thank you so much for all of it!

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    Diana Bier Interiors, LLC
    last month

    So much good advice here! I would replace the chimney hood with an insert clad in the cabinet material. It looks so much more integrated and cohesive. Chimney hoods work well when they aren't flanked by cabinets.

    This:


    Florida Historic Renovation · More Info


    Or this:

    Stone House · More Info



    Isle of Palms Modern Cottage Kitchen · More Info


    Not this:


    Marinwood Kitchen · More Info



  • HU-910663146
    last month
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    My opinion, but I don't like the corner stove idea.

    I also don't like all the different heights and depths on the wall cabinets.

    No to pull out spice rack. Smacks of an expensive add-on that cabinet manufacturers sell you that aren't really practical and sacrifice usable drawer space.

    Swap refrigerator and appliance garage.

    Look into LeMans units for your corner cabinets.

  • Fun Remodler
    Original Author
    last month

    Thank you, Diana Bier Interiors, LLC that’s good to know on the vent hood. I will explore those options. They look nice. And the spice pull out we will eliminate. I’ll check out LeMans units. I am not familiar with that. Thank you.

  • HU-910663146
    last month
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    LeMans units. They have them for right or left sides of both upper and base cabinets. They also have them for tall units.

  • vinmarks
    last month

    As far as the mixer lift goes if you use any of the attachments such as cheese grater, pasta maker, sausage maker etc you can not use them with the mixer on the lift. You need counter space. I really do not understand how anyone uses a mixer on that small platform. Think of the flour that will end up on your floor and in the open cabinet. To me it is really not that functional and really just another gadget.


    Our mixer sits out on our counter in the corner. It sits on a slide mat. Usually I carry it to our island as I am able to at this point but if I wasn’t able I have plenty of counter there to slide it to where I can use it. With the cheese grater attachment I can just slide it out a bit from the corner to grate cheese and then slide it right back into the corner when done.

  • HU-910663146
    last month

    You can stick the Kitchenaid on the Lemans unit.

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    Diana Bier Interiors, LLC
    last month

    Oh, yes, Lemans units are awesome! I have 2 of them in my kitchen and they work just great!

  • Fun Remodler
    Original Author
    last month

    Good to know the lemans unit must be pretty sturdy then. That is always my concern with moving parts like that. And maybe the mixer is ok to just be visible on the counter I suppose if it were in an appliance garage, there wouldn’t be enough counter space to use it in front of the cabinet. I’d have to pull it around next to it, which could be a pain if the exposed counter top isn’t wide enough and all that flour splattering in the cabinet if not moved, would be a pain to clean. Thank you.

  • AnnKH
    last month

    Fun Remodler, it seems like you are embracing the idea of function over looks, and imaging how it will be to actually work and live in your kitchen. Good for you!

  • PRO
    Diana Bier Interiors, LLC
    last month

    I keep my Kitchenaid mixer in a corner space on the counter top. It's so heavy I wouldn't want to have to pick it up to put it on the counter top. But I have a lot of room in my kitchen. I also have the toaster and toaster oven on the counter top. We use them so much it would be very inconvenient to hide them in a cabinet. But your situation could be different.

    I also planned for where everything would go before I finalized the kitchen plans. It's a good strategy to make sure you have room for everything close to where you'll use it.

  • Fun Remodler
    Original Author
    last month

    Thank you. That’s good advice.

  • HU-910663146
    last month

    I was recently online looking through expensive condos for kitchen ideas. There was a $4.5 million condo in chicago for sale that had both a toaster oven and microwave sitting out on the counter (galley kitchen) in the photos that were posted to try to sell the condo. If they felt comfortable doing that, so can the rest of us.

  • Fun Remodler
    Original Author
    last month

    That’s awesome, thank you for sharing that! :)

  • Kendrah
    last month

    There was a $4.5 million condo in chicago for sale that had both a toaster oven and microwave sitting out on the counter (galley kitchen) in the photos that were posted to try to sell the condo. If they felt comfortable doing that, so can the rest of us.


    For $4.5m, the new owners will gut the kitchen and have a new one with microwave drawer or other locals for appliances.


    I didn't realize the Kitchen Aid mixer lift was a platform you work on. Silly me! I thought of it as an elevator that you then scoot the mixer off of and on to the counter.


    How often do you use your Kitchen Aid? During my baking phase, when I used it once a week, I kept it on the counter with a cover on it the same color as our backsplash so it blended in. Does your husband not like seeing it or doesn't want it taking up space? I guess it takes up the same amount of space on the counter whether it is in a garage or covered.


    The place on Etsy sells tons of colors

    https://www.etsy.com/listing/483909817/cover-compatible-with-kitchenaid-stand?gpla=1&gao=1&;

  • Fun Remodler
    Original Author
    last month

    Kendrah, my husband doesn’t like the visual “clutter”. I go through phases where I use it a few times a week and then may go a month with out using it. Just depends on my mood and time. I’m thinking I may skip the pantry cabinets to allow for more counter top space on each side of the range.

  • PRO
    Diana Bier Interiors, LLC
    last month

    I love the look of the Kitcheaid mixer. It's iconic.

  • Kendrah
    last month

    I too hate clutter so I understand. Our designer made this super narrow cabinet work for mixer storage in our small NYC kitchen. It plugs in and is used on the counter just above where it is stored so you lift it in one motion, no steps, and there it is.






  • Fun Remodler
    Original Author
    last month

    I like that a lot! Thank you for the pictures. That helps a lot. It’d keep me strong too! 😁

  • HU-910663146
    last month

    The kitchenaid mixer company is sooooo sneaky. They keep making mixers in cool colors that I am always hoping my old one breaks so that I can buy a new one in the newest color.

  • HU-910663146
    last month

    Kendrah, that is such a awesome setup!

  • Kendrah
    last month

    You said you are rural. There are good designers who work remotely. It could be worth your while to have a remote designer do this job. Not sure how exact measurements get done in a situation like this, but plenty of kitchens were designed and installed remotely during covid.

  • Fun Remodler
    Original Author
    last month

    We have a cabinet maker that makes it all from scratch, so he could totally do this! Thank you!

  • Fun Remodler
    Original Author
    last month

    I too am enticed by the beautiful new kitchen aid colors, but mine is still going strong after 23 years!

  • vinmarks
    last month
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    The older Kitchenaid mixers are built better than the newer ones. We even fixed our older Kitchenaid. Cost under $50. A few new parts and new packing grease was all that was needed.



  • Fun Remodler
    Original Author
    last month

    That’s awesome, I’m impressed! I’ll have to remember that when the time comes. They’re definitely a work horse. I love mine!

  • HU-910663146
    last month
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    Vinyl wrap around the mixer? Or spray paint? I really don't use mine anymore, but that doesn't stop me from being tempted when I see them at the store.


    And mine is 30 years ago at least.

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