Chantilly Lace on cabinets, trim, and windows? (WHY is this so hard?)

last year

Been fussing over "which white" paint for years (okay, decades). Have many samples and read more online advice than the average nutball. Perhaps I need to hire one of the many online e-designers, but I'm out of time. One of the painters came to color consult but didn't offer much conviction.

Quest started with wanting to match our aged, inset plantation shutters. They are a PIA to clean, block light, and $$$$ to repaint. Now have all new windows with fixed mullions inside/out and ditching shutters. Window interiors, including fixed mullions need on-site painting (because I was too dumb to settle for the brand's factory-painted "white").

Painter begging me to select from three remaining--BM's Chantilly Lace, Simply White, and White Dove.

Seems like Chantilly Lace is the "easiest" choice since we don't know new wall color(s). Want no undertone fights, but once windows are painted, it seems THAT is "the" color for the rest of the woodwork and cabinets. Love White Dove and Simply White--look great online--but kitchen faces west which makes those look, respectively, dingy or too yellow in strong afternoon light. While I think they make great cabinet colors, I don't know if they will be great for ALL trim/windows. (Does this prove my decision is self-made, but I lack confidence?)

Doing a first-floor reno on our Traditional 1993 (modest) home: mudroom, kitchen, fireplace sitting room with (white) perimeter cabinets to-the-ceiling, bookcases, & new fireplace with painted mantel. Painting all crown/base moulding & stair spindles same. Red Oak, medium brown site-stained hardwood floors, dark slate tile flooring in mudroom & sunroom, black soapstone counters, & light walnut islands. Perimeter cabinets will be "a" or "the" white (likely). Backsplash undecided--either tile to match cabinets, or short/medium soapstone splash with tile or painted wood matched to the cabinets.

*****If you speed-readers skipped the novel, please help END MY STRUGGLE:

If Chantilly Lace is the safest choice (Is it?) for windows is it TOO DARN white for the cabinets in a west-facing kitchen with three windows (1 over sink & 3 bowed around nook)? Can't afford to paint windows Chantilly Lace and then regret that a different color was best for cabinets and should have been the window/trim color, too.*****

Love the trending "English" kitchens with soapstone and shades of green or soft beige/greige cabinets, but I want a flexible, "happy" color that's even more timeless, despite how cool those look. Meanwhile, the windows needed painting--yesterday. Samples linked. Thanks for advice.

Chantilly Lace with White Counters (I'm doing black.)

Chantilly Lace Cabinets with Black Counters (slab cabinets--mine will be inset Shaker)

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HU-918119203

last year

Sounds like you are good to go on CL, but you can comply with Marvin's requirements by priming. I had site-primed but unpainted windows and doors for ~6 months in my renovation.

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HU-918119203
last year
Chantilly Lace would be way too bright a white for me to have on cabinets, walls, and trim. It's WHITE.

My advice would be to not paint the trim now, pick your cabinet and wall color(s) based on the exact counter, backsplash, and floor options you are using, and let the trim follow. Your painter works for you, not vice/versa.
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JAN MOYER
last year
"Chantilly Lace" is a fantastic, clean, clear white.

"Simply white"? Surprised he suggested it, you will need multiples of coats for coverage.

Not a fan of Dove white......anything, but that's me.

You took down the shutters, so no issue on those.

Soapstone and white cabinets, and a warm medium deep floor? Beautiful !!!

As to back splash?

In a single heartbeat, I'd do an extra tall nine or ten inch riser in soapstone, and forget all about tile!

Save the green for accents if you like, or do the island if you have one in a happy green: )

Tell him Chantilly and get going...
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yalemichmom
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last year
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Thank you @HU-918119203 and @Jan Moyer for fast replies. Definitely not painting walls in Chantilly Lace (yes, for flat on ceiling and satin trim). At my age, I have eye "floaters," so solid white all over would drive me more nutty with "gnats" flying in front of my face. Pretty funny watching me bat "them" away only to realize it's another charming aspect of aging. (Why am I renovating so late? Kids' college tuitions came first...next it'll be weddings, so I'm trying to spend on "us" before an announcement occurs and a demand for an ice sculpture!)

Windows were supposed to be painted (per Marvin) "immediately" after install. Kind of hard when the installer took seven months and only finished just before Thanksgiving, so had to wait for the temps to climb. Have to grab my painting slot now, I'll be a great-grandmother by the time she can get back to us. It's now or way-not-now.

Jan Moyer--you are spot-on, and I need the KICK: "Get going!" Thanks for the confidence boost and thumbs up on our basic elements. Bought enough soapstone, just in case, to add a six (could go higher) inch stone splash. Love idea of no tile. Painted drywall or painted V-groove paneling up to the cabinets above the stone splash would be easy on the eye.
yalemichmom
Original Author
last year
Thanks, HU-918119203 for advice. Our windows were, luckily, factory-primed, but later we noticed warranty instructions said they also need two paint coats (with sanding...oh it'll be a fun job) a.s.a.p. after install. Initially, we didn't think about until after the holidays and a very cold snap hit. Had ice/frost along bottom sashes against primed wood, which isn't great. For three days in a row, I used a hair dryer and wiped them dry. Thought we could get them painted at the end of the renovation, but my window sales rep said for warranty issues, they need to be done soon. Install started last June. I realize "Marvin" won't ring the doorbell and inspect.
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theresa21
last year
I have BM Super White throughout my house. I even have it on walls--full and half paneled walls. Its LRV is lower than Chantilly Lace but it's still a clean-bright white. It does not have any detectable undertones that I can tell. You probably already viewed this video comparing Super White with Chantilly Lace. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-2V6Zx78m0
chispa
last year
I used BM Chantilly Lace for most cabinets, all ceilings, trim, doors and crown. I picked it for the whole house, because of all the whites I tested it was the only one that didn't turn dingy in my North facing FL kitchen. It is a bright, crisp white, but neutral. Never looks yellow or blue/gray, just a nice white. My walls are BM White Dove, which definitely has yellow in it.
yalemichmom
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last year
Thank you for the reply! Chantilly Lace seems to be my best choice, as we have various exposures and the weather (light) in IN fluctuates so much, it would be nice to have a color that doesn’t “flip” around too much.
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