Moses, for what you describe, it seems that Lady of Shalott would be the better choice. Madame Anisette grows straight up, and I mean STRAIGHT up....like columns. It's a very narrow plant, and I don't think it would allow itself to be fanned out. Whereas, Lady of Shalott seems designed for this look.

Also, Madame Anisette's blooms get a bit taddy when they finish and almost require dead-heading. Lady of Shalott blows pretty cleanly. My two cents. :)

MA is far from continuous.

Is LoS good with BS?

Any thought to TS? https://www.gardenweb.com/discussions/4713687/tangerine-skies#n=130

Chris says it’s hard to train laterally. Mine is freestanding and tends to arch and spread out.

Lady of Shalott was decently resistant to bs here for an Austin but by no means clean. It bloomed well and definitely was more fan shaped. Madame Anisette has perfect health no spray with a glorious spring bloom but rebloom is very slow after that. The canes can be fanned on a fence but give it plenty of space because it gets very large.

A newer climber in my garden that has excellent health and great rebloom is Peach Melba which also won an ADR.

I didn’t realize LoS was a AGRS winner in both NE and SE regions.

Don't befuddle an old man! 😁

Now you have me drooling over Tangerine Skies. Kordes says its disease resistance is excellent, but it has not been awarded an ADR designation...humph!? Maybe the coveted ADR is yet to be awarded to it.

Now Peach Melba is front and center for consideration.

So Madame A. is too stiff of cane, and scant to repeat as well as old blooms looking rough. Lady of Shalott gets diseasy. I can believe that pretty easily since it's an Austin which get very spotty here.

Back to Peach Melba, it may get too big and arching, plus its blooms' necks look like they are weak going by the one HMFR photo I just looked at. It rains too much with big winds during the summer for weak necked roses to be nothing but sopping wet messes here.

Yes, I'm picky, but time is ticking away for me and trialing roses in the bed is getting very tedious. I want to start with a winner...like Quicksilver, whose blooms are almost plastic in durability and so stiff necked that you would think they are wired like florists' roses.

I just need one tall-ish disease free rose that repeats well, any color, fragrant if possible, to go at the back of my 8' deep rose bed where two Moonlight Romanticas are growing between the Quicksilver with space at the 18' long bed's end for one last bush there where Lady Ashe used to be. That's my challenge. Maybe another Quicksilver there would do it.

Moses

I love LOS even thought she grabs and clings when I prune her

Moses I have Tangerine Skies and LOVE it. Not a speck of disease, the blooms are big and beautiful, and it reblooms well. Mine is only a year old and performed fabulously. Highly recommend! You will love it!

Moses Bathsheba from David Austin has better disease resistance he than LoS. Most of the Austin’s show some nodding including her.

A rose I just ordered from high country that you may like is Golden Opportunity which supposedly has good disease resistance and fragrance. It also seems to have the kind of non nodding blooms you favor. I like all those weak neck roses since I am 5 feet tall and need all the roses to be looking down at me to see them lol. Tangerine skies seems like a winner.

Dianela, Golden Opportunity is really beautiful. How tall will she be?

Oh, I see that she is a climber, I wish that I had space for another climber but alas, I dont

Kristine, I am cut off from ordering any more roses this spring, but had looked hard at Golden Opportunity. It is advertised as getting 8-10ft tall. the breeder is Carruth and it is a cross of the climber Autumn Sunset and Julia Child.

Short answer, I love both in mygarden !Both are great all season long bloomers for me. If you poll folks across the country on this forum, I think you might get more votes for LoS. Madame Anisette seems to do better in climates like mine than in some other places.

LoS has nodding blooms, though and is more susceptible to black spot in some areas. Madame Anisette has upright, big, densely petaled blooms on long stems. I've had no problem pegging her and guiding her on a trellis.

It looks like after what others have shared you might find all that you want in Golden Opportunity.

In case you haven't ruled out MA

You couldn't even tell on the plant that I'd harvested this many.

Librarian your madame A seems to be the most productive plant ever. Do you have cool nights during the summer? I am wondering if it likes cooler nights than we can give it here to rebloom. Even tho mine doesn’t rebloom well I wouldn’t be without it, the spring bloom is magnificent and the rest of the year the plant is green and healthy which is much better than a defoliated stick.

I’d just like to point out:

” Kordes says its disease resistance is excellent, but it has not been awarded an ADR designation...humph!?” (re: TS)

Has Quicksilver been awarded an ADR? Yet do you have any doubt it would garner one, were it to be entered for consideration?

I’m not trying to befuddle you; I don’t think that would be possible.

Dianela, I think you may have figured it out. Yes! We have very cool nights in the summer and we don't get that hot during the day (although hot days have been increasing with the climate crisis). It means that I never have a great eggplant harvest, often barely harvest more than one melon and I can't grow okra well, but MA is happy!

Librarian, do you fight powdery mildew with your cool nights? Cool nights and warm, dry days is the perfect recipe for powdery mildew here where it is mostly in force in spring and fall, but not summer. That's as long as its a dry spring or fall also.

Moses

Rifis, to my knowledge Quicksilver has not been awarded an ADR, although Chris, from New Flora, now defunct (some may remember the testy moments I had with her as she came to the defense of many Kordes roses, which she represented here in the USA), promoting every single Kordes introduction with such gusto in spite of the shortcomings some exhibited, especially poor repeat blooming ones. Of course New Flora/Kordes was her income, so crossing lines was anathema to her as it would be to anyone in her position, I guess. I wonder where she is now? She was a prominent feature on the Roses Forum back when.

My Quicksilver is a keeper. It has just about everything a good rose should have. Yes, it is categorized by Kordes as a short climber, but for me, its stiff canes are not supple enough to make it the quintessential short climber, easily growing rigid 7' canes being no special feat...but try to bend them to a horizontal orientation...yikes!

Moses

Moses, have the same issue with my Quicksilver so she is more rogue than trained but looks gorgeous. I have zero complaints about that rose

LoS (grafted on DH), doesn't black spot all that much for me. She is usually green and healthy. At my old place, which was very close to the Atlantic Ocean and the St John's River, so very humid during summer. I didnt spray there and dont spray here either. I had it espaliered on a 16 ft cattle panel fastened on T Posts. It took very well to that situation. It started out in full sun but after a few yrs, the Live Oak nearby grew out and gave it too much afternoon shade so it bloomed less,but it still bloomed well!

I have Madame Anisette but it is still a baby..maybe 6ft. It hasnt bloomed that much yet. Its own root. Her foliage stays healthy.

I have her next to a tall metal RV carport next to a Spirit of Freedom, hopefully they will gobble it up.

Another thought...Bathsheba is healthy and blooms well. Interestingly, she always blooms right along the same time as my Quicksilvers. I have 2 Bathshebas and 4 Quicksilvers. They always all bloom together which is kinda weird but nice! Bathsheba here is similar to Teasing Georgia, Crown Princess M, and LoS in terms of growth habit and healthy foliage. Bathsheba blooms more though.

LoS ..nice green leaves.

Wow, is Tangerine Skies a tempter! Do you think it can be kept to no more than 5 ' tall, growing as a bush instead of its designation as a climber? I really don't want to fight a rose from doing what it wants to do. It's a Kordes rose, but not an ADR winner, wonder why?

Moses

What are my chances of putting First Crush in my old Lady Ashe's spot and it being more bushy in growth than Madame Anisette? I don't like First Crush's split center blossom tendencies, but can live with the fault if FC is a good repeater and a tall, well behaved bushy bush.

Moses

@dianela7analabama, thanks for posting about Golden Opportunity. I just changed my HCR order to add it. I meant to get it last year but hesitated.

“It's a Kordes rose, but not an ADR winner, wonder why?

I know why TS is not an ADR winner, but I would feel like I was betraying Chris if I disclosed the reason here. I’m sorry, as you deserve to know why it is not an ADR winner.

Moses, powdery mildew is a problem late summer/early fall on my squash, cucumbers and melons, not so much for the roses (so far). Princess Charlene de Monaco got a little bit when she was a young own root, but a milk water spray cleared her up and it wasn't really a problem last year.

Moses, Pittsburgh, W. PA., zone 5/6, USAunless you require ADR roses, both Tangerine Skies and Quicksilver are really amazing roses. I know my climate is different than yours, but I definitely deal with blackspot and PM here and while other roses are suffering, both of these are completely clean, bloom regularly with large blooms and are just terrific!

First crush seems to be A bushier growing variety while Madame A is certainly more of a climber. I regret having shoveled pruned 3 of them because their scent was amazing and their health perfect. Mine were young and I can’t really comment on rebloom. My problem with them was that since it was slow to open all the blooms would be brown with thrips damage. It was not the roses fault I just didn’t want to deal with it. Definitely seem much more behaved than MA.

I would highlyx3 recommend Zaide. I lost mine to RRD, it was about 7-10 ft wide and 3-4ft tall, easily draps over so pegging is super easy. It is so disease resistant, continuous "prolific" blooming, even during high temps and fragrant. It has that cottage look to it. I will have to hunt for pics as it has been gone for awhile...gone but not forgotten. I didn't give it any special care, no spray, so very easy care rose. Pruning is the only thing needed. Also, had MA..its a class on its own.

Zaide, in July