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Exterior House Paint - Terracotta Roof

ker9
2 months ago
last modified: 2 months ago

I'm overwhelmed by the options and could use some help to narrow it down to a few choices I can bring back and paint swatches.

Photos show my house with new tile roof (and missing roof), houses to left and right.

I need paint suggestions that do not match the neighboring homes.

Windows and hurricane shutters are white.

I would prefer to keep it simple with one color, with a teal or navy door.

The roof company suggested SW Summer white but I find that very yellow.

Southwest Florida, front faces NNW.

(Roof was originally same as house on right, a mixed color. We are 3rd owner and have no idea what color is on the house now. Carriage lights will be replaced.)

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Comments (58)

  • happyleg
    2 months ago

    I ran across this for you

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    Lori A. Sawaya
    2 months ago

    I looked at it on SW site. I can do SW or BM.


    Ah-okay. Color online is not accurate. The color you're seeing on the SW website is really just the color your device is able to render that's somewhat representative of the color in real life.


    A real-life chip may not feel as yellow.

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  • ker9
    Original Author
    2 months ago

    Based on chroma, I guess BM Calm would not work?

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    JAN MOYER
    2 months ago
    last modified: 2 months ago

    You will no know without a test on the house. Yes.....the structure: )

    All the chroma info in the world, can not tell you what to like when seen with your own eyes.

  • deegw
    2 months ago
    last modified: 2 months ago

    Do you live in an HOA? There might be some rules about which colors you can use.

  • ker9
    Original Author
    2 months ago

    Yes, there is an HOA, I can’t paint the same color as neighbors. If I went crazy and picked deep purple, I’d need it approved, but sticking with neutrals should be ok.
    The problem with a lot of these discussions is pictures without colors named.

  • ker9
    Original Author
    2 months ago

    Like this

  • Jenny
    2 months ago

    I understand your frustration, but how a color looks on my house will not be the same as how a color looks on yours, because of your lighting conditions, your landscaping etc. So my best suggestion would be to find a look you like, save that image on your phone, and go to your paint store (not apparently the big box paint section) and ask them to match that and make recommendations. Then get several color samples that are close to that color - I used Samplize and ordered a number of samples - and test them on your house in your light at various times of the day and on various parts of the house. I had a lovely light neutral color as one of my top contenders, until at one point it was distinctly apricot. That would work on your house, but not on my kitchen.

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    Lori A. Sawaya
    2 months ago

    Based on chroma, I guess BM Calm would not work?


    Because it is lower in Chroma, it's going to show up looking white. Here's a list of colors in the same hue family, same value, just more Chroma than Calm.


    Get the chips and put them in order - by Chroma - just like they're listed. You'll see the gradation in colorfulness. Starting most neutral/white, Calm to White Down.


    Definitely do chips first so you don't waste time/money on samples that aren't anywhere near what you're envisioning.


  • ker9
    Original Author
    2 months ago

    Separate but relevant, what determines gray vs beige/tan?

  • ker9
    Original Author
    2 months ago

    Wow

  • wdccruise
    2 months ago

    Dunno. I see a big garage door. I don't see a house.

  • ker9
    Original Author
    2 months ago

    I agree, but from further back the colors look great.

  • wdccruise
    2 months ago

    "from further back the colors look great"

    Perhaps, but the primary audience will be people walking by and visiting.

  • ker9
    Original Author
    2 months ago

    My house is all garage, too, and I wouldn’t do this but I like the white and the blue.

  • ker9
    Original Author
    2 months ago

    Photo from Marie Killam suggesting peach or butterscotch

  • wdccruise
    2 months ago

    Yeah, minimizing the difference between the house and garage colors certainly reduces the "big garage" effect.

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    Lori A. Sawaya
    2 months ago

    Separate but relevant, what determines gray vs beige/tan?


    Beige/tan, taupe, cream, etc. are all subjective color judgement words. Because they mean something different to everyone, they don't mean anything.


    The inconsistency person to person renders those words useless as terms to define or describe color appearance.


    Gray is different.


    Because in the objective color system used to make and manage color by every industry across the globe (not just paint), gray(ness) is quantified as Chroma.


    Chroma defines and describes the colorfulness/grayness of a color's appearance. This is an example of how the gradation of grays plots out in that 3 dimensional color system, Red and blue-green hue families in these examples but it's the same in all hue families.


    You will find colors of gray - aka chromatic grays - in every hue family in the spectrum. Fact of the matter is gray is not just green, blue and purple.






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  • wdccruise
    2 months ago

    "Photo from Marie Killam suggesting peach or butterscotch"

    Would that color be too similar to the color of the house next door which you're told to avoid?



  • ker9
    Original Author
    2 months ago

    @wdccruise

    I won't know until I try some paints - I hope to get to SW/BM this week.

    The one to the left is more white and to the right, a little darker. It's a fairly subtle difference really.

  • wdccruise
    2 months ago

    Maybe Behr Original White and one of the suggested Coordinated Palettes such as this one with Original White stucco, Final Straw garage door, and Journey's End trim? Just a thought.

  • ker9
    Original Author
    2 months ago

    Bm capri coast, is it too peachy?

  • ker9
    Original Author
    2 months ago

    It does wash out in bright sun on the west side.

  • wdccruise
    2 months ago

    Behr's Cream Puff is a bit darker than its Original White (and, it appears, BM Capri Coast) suggested above. There are Coordinating Colors at the bottom of the webpage.

  • happyleg
    last month
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    Shutters are wrong sides of door.

  • ker9
    Original Author
    last month

    BM Navajo White…doesn’t appear yellow in photo. Backing away from peach. Pale oak, drift of mist, gossamer veil all indicate they are gray, which I usually don’t like but I’m curious as to why grays were suggested by Lori Saway.

  • cat_ky
    last month

    Those shutters are correct, for the door. They can be closed for hurricanes etc, and they fit right into the arched door opening. I do agree, they dont look great open, and do give a backwards appearance, but, in some areas, they are a necessity.

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    Lori A. Sawaya
    last month
    last modified: last month

    as to why grays were suggested by Lori Saway.

    I wouldn't necessarily classify the colors listed as "grays".

    Might be more accurate to say they aren't white - in this context and application.

    Because they have a Munsell Chroma value more than 0.55

    And colors with a Munsell Chroma value more than 0.55 are likely to show up exterior looking more "white" however-and-at-the-same-time unlikely to look/feel stark, arctic, blinding, glare-bomb, harsh.

    Colors with a Munsell Chroma below 0.55 from certain hue families - it could be argued - are a better fit for places like Mykonos.

    These 3 colors are similar

    It's reasonable to see Pale Oak as the same as Gossamer - just a lighter version.

    Dift of Mist is the lighter, more neutral option IF (big if) Pale Oak or Gossamer shows up with moments of pink or purple.

    IF because they're just as likely to show up looking perfectly neutral, no discernable hue.


    If Pale Oak was on a light to dark color gradation string on one strip it could look like this:


  • ker9
    Original Author
    last month

    Ginger color

  • ker9
    Original Author
    last month

    Any ideas on what color that house might be?

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    Lori A. Sawaya
    last month
    last modified: last month

    Ginger is so fitting! Now I want to go look for ginger colors. I'll be back later.

  • ker9
    Original Author
    last month

    I tried SW color snap but it seems to read it more beige. I’m completely lost on the correct way to look for a similar color probably in the orange family. Any suggestions to get me in the right shade?

  • ker9
    Original Author
    last month

    SW: soft fawn 9097, woven wicker 9104, almond Roca 9105 seems a bit too dark, yearling 7725.
    What’s the difference between 9000 colors and 7000? I find the sw site easier than bm, but open to both.

  • ker9
    Original Author
    last month

    We stopped at SW today and they came up with Latte 6108. Also looked at Farro 9103 online. They’re all similar it’s so difficult to figure out which ones to sample. We’re hoping to go to BM tomorrow just to confuse ourselves further.

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    Lori A. Sawaya
    29 days ago
    last modified: 29 days ago

    This is the first chance I've had to pull notations together to see what it looks like.

    All the colors listed are basically the same color - slight differences across the board hue/value/chroma.

    Which is actually good. Because you're pulling basically the same color, it's confirmation of what you're envisioning for the finished look - you know what you want, just have to choose the right color.

    Did this house in Baguette; I liked it because it wasn't too orange. As you can see in the data values, it's over into the Yellow hue family where the others are Yellow-Red (orange). So that's why a smidge more yellowness is perceived. e.g. Baguette compared to Woven Wicker. (ignore the stray dot on the color wheel slide, I didn't see it until it posted)


    Also, if Dunn-Edwards is an option, their Baked Potato is another one I'd sample.







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    Lori A. Sawaya
    29 days ago

    What’s the difference between 9000 colors and 7000?


    9000 colors are the new Emerald Designer Edition Paint Palette. When launched, they were interior only and I believe that's still the case.

  • Debbie Downer
    29 days ago

    Sorry to interrupt, but why are some paint colors designated interior only? Came across this with Benjhamin Moore as well.


    Secondly - I love where you are going with this OP, the gingers are very handsome and by leaning more into midtones the color stands up to the visual weight or "heaviness" of the red-brown tile..... save lighter cream for trim/accent instead of main body color.



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    Lori A. Sawaya
    29 days ago

    It boils down to inorganic vs. organic pigments. Inorganic pigments are used in more muted, like earth-tone colors. They're stable, less likely to break down, have better color retention vs organic.


    Colors like bolder, cleaner/clearer, more saturated orange, yellow, red, blue, green require organic pigments and have poor lightfastness. Sunny climates, lucky if they make it through a summer.


    With the 200 SW 9000 colors they need an Emerald base which SW says is brighter and whiter.

  • ker9
    Original Author
    29 days ago

    We managed to connect with the homeowners who told us the paint was sw latte 150%, so I guess they made it darker?

    We went to BM and came away with almost the exact color (without us knowing what the color was at the time), which is 1054 Sherwood tan. The difference is very slight.

    Both SW & BM colors look good with pavers front and back (which are different colors), don’t match the neighbors, and we both seem to agree (for once).

    I guess we need a lighter, white/off white to go with it. We want to paint the covered lanai a white/off white, which could be same as trim or not (as long as it’s not yellow).

  • samilynn07
    29 days ago

    I have a Terra cotta roof and painted my house SW Downy and love it. It faces south. It is quite bright on really sunny days, but far from sterile. We get lots of compliments.

  • ker9
    Original Author
    24 days ago

    Now I need a door color, not orange, prefer blue, blue green, maybe purple, suggestions more than welcomed.

  • Jenny
    24 days ago

    Blue-green colors would work well. BM Cheating Heart , Newburyport Blue, Sea Serpent have potential. Black would look very crisp.

  • ker9
    Original Author
    11 days ago

    Still looking for front door color guidance that goes with BM Sherwood Tan or SW Latte - Blue, Teal, Aqua - light/dark?


    @Lori A. Sawaya - any guidance on how the lanai area, which is usually in shade and I would like to keep lighter than the house color - can I do the under roof part white, although that long wall makes it more complicated?


    (new ceiling fan in bronze is coming soon) First picture looks a bit pink, but it's not.



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    Lori A. Sawaya
    8 days ago

    can I do the under roof part white, although that long wall makes it more complicated?


    I think you could because the screen separates the lanai off so it's room-like. And you're not talking about breaking up the long wall with two dramatically different colors.





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    Lori A. Sawaya
    8 days ago

    Still looking for front door color guidance that goes with BM Sherwood Tan or SW Latte - Blue, Teal, Aqua - light/dark?


    Sherwood Tan and Latte are the same color. The ideal range for a complementary door color is 240 to 260 degrees in color space.




  • happyleg
    8 days ago

    Pick up medium color shade of the Blues you're showing for your door if you keeping the brown otherwise you could either have medium or light if you're going White along the roof line

  • ker9
    Original Author
    4 days ago
    last modified: 4 days ago

    Attached is a very rough picture done in Ben Moore's site: Body: Algonquin Trail , Door: Caribbean Azure , Trim: Simply White (?).

    The BM program doesn't not show much discernable difference between almost any white trim. I don't want it to look yellow. (I have nothing against yellow, I just don't want it here.)

    One picture I tried to paint the soffits brown to match the gutters.

    Open to trim and door color suggestions. We will be changing the sidelights.


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