SW: soft fawn 9097, woven wicker 9104, almond Roca 9105 seems a bit too dark, yearling 7725.
What’s the difference between 9000 colors and 7000? I find the sw site easier than bm, but open to both.

We stopped at SW today and they came up with Latte 6108. Also looked at Farro 9103 online. They’re all similar it’s so difficult to figure out which ones to sample. We’re hoping to go to BM tomorrow just to confuse ourselves further.

This is the first chance I've had to pull notations together to see what it looks like.

All the colors listed are basically the same color - slight differences across the board hue/value/chroma.

Which is actually good. Because you're pulling basically the same color, it's confirmation of what you're envisioning for the finished look - you know what you want, just have to choose the right color.

Did this house in Baguette; I liked it because it wasn't too orange. As you can see in the data values, it's over into the Yellow hue family where the others are Yellow-Red (orange). So that's why a smidge more yellowness is perceived. e.g. Baguette compared to Woven Wicker. (ignore the stray dot on the color wheel slide, I didn't see it until it posted)

Also, if Dunn-Edwards is an option, their Baked Potato is another one I'd sample.

What’s the difference between 9000 colors and 7000?

9000 colors are the new Emerald Designer Edition Paint Palette. When launched, they were interior only and I believe that's still the case.

Sorry to interrupt, but why are some paint colors designated interior only? Came across this with Benjhamin Moore as well.

Secondly - I love where you are going with this OP, the gingers are very handsome and by leaning more into midtones the color stands up to the visual weight or "heaviness" of the red-brown tile..... save lighter cream for trim/accent instead of main body color.

It boils down to inorganic vs. organic pigments. Inorganic pigments are used in more muted, like earth-tone colors. They're stable, less likely to break down, have better color retention vs organic.

Colors like bolder, cleaner/clearer, more saturated orange, yellow, red, blue, green require organic pigments and have poor lightfastness. Sunny climates, lucky if they make it through a summer.

With the 200 SW 9000 colors they need an Emerald base which SW says is brighter and whiter.

We managed to connect with the homeowners who told us the paint was sw latte 150%, so I guess they made it darker?

We went to BM and came away with almost the exact color (without us knowing what the color was at the time), which is 1054 Sherwood tan. The difference is very slight.

Both SW & BM colors look good with pavers front and back (which are different colors), don’t match the neighbors, and we both seem to agree (for once).

I guess we need a lighter, white/off white to go with it. We want to paint the covered lanai a white/off white, which could be same as trim or not (as long as it’s not yellow).

I have a Terra cotta roof and painted my house SW Downy and love it. It faces south. It is quite bright on really sunny days, but far from sterile. We get lots of compliments.

Now I need a door color, not orange, prefer blue, blue green, maybe purple, suggestions more than welcomed.

Blue-green colors would work well. BM Cheating Heart , Newburyport Blue, Sea Serpent have potential. Black would look very crisp.

Still looking for front door color guidance that goes with BM Sherwood Tan or SW Latte - Blue, Teal, Aqua - light/dark?

@Lori A. Sawaya - any guidance on how the lanai area, which is usually in shade and I would like to keep lighter than the house color - can I do the under roof part white, although that long wall makes it more complicated?

(new ceiling fan in bronze is coming soon) First picture looks a bit pink, but it's not.

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Always wonder if I can do wood on the ceiling.

can I do the under roof part white, although that long wall makes it more complicated?

I think you could because the screen separates the lanai off so it's room-like. And you're not talking about breaking up the long wall with two dramatically different colors.

Still looking for front door color guidance that goes with BM Sherwood Tan or SW Latte - Blue, Teal, Aqua - light/dark?

Sherwood Tan and Latte are the same color. The ideal range for a complementary door color is 240 to 260 degrees in color space.

Pick up medium color shade of the Blues you're showing for your door if you keeping the brown otherwise you could either have medium or light if you're going White along the roof line

Attached is a very rough picture done in Ben Moore's site: Body: Algonquin Trail , Door: Caribbean Azure , Trim: Simply White (?).

The BM program doesn't not show much discernable difference between almost any white trim. I don't want it to look yellow. (I have nothing against yellow, I just don't want it here.)

One picture I tried to paint the soffits brown to match the gutters.

Open to trim and door color suggestions. We will be changing the sidelights.

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Is there a crisp white that isn’t yellow for the trim with BM Sherwood Tan at 150%? @Lori A. Sawaya

There is white and bright white and there's Chantilly

We went to the paint store looking for help but really didn’t get much. Our windows are white and hurricane shutters are rather bright white so we are considering BM super white for the trim. Trim is only in front of house, however, we are considering painting the walls of the covered lanai the same, hoping it won’t be too bright since it’s covered.

Any thoughts on non yellow, not blinding white. I don’t know how much the sun will bleach out the yellow of something like simply white.

M Sherwood Tan at 150%?

When we change formulas, we have a custom color.

Which means there's no way to know what the hue family, value or chroma is - the color coordinates if you will.

Those color "coordinates" is how we find other colors that will go together.

So best we can do is assume that your custom color is in the same hue family range of Sherwood Tan and base colors of white recommendations off of that.

I need to pull chips too - can't just rec based on hue/value/chroma.

I'll be back....

For the covered lanai, wondering if something like decorator's white or baby's breath would be ok or stick with super white, which might be too bright.

I think the increase brings the color between Sherwood Tan and Algonquin Trail on the paint chip strip. (Or between Latte and Double Latte on the SW strip.) That's how the neighbor's house color appears to me.

@Lori A. Sawaya - thank you so much for your support!!!

(The painter will be coming next week, we hope, if the rain quits,)

I never specify an actual white exterior. Bare minimum it's an off-white. Because sunlight strips chroma. So if you start with next to no chroma, you end up with arctic, stark white. If you have at least a little, then it ends up looking like a neutral white/off-white.

Can do a haint blue ceiling in the lanai for a hit of fun color.

I wouldn't get clever with the walls.

We painted a sample board of BM Vapor - I feel like I see a hint of peach vs yellow.

We are considering it for the covered lanai area.

BTW: The painter is here pressure washing, so it won't be long now, depending on weather!

@Lori A. Sawaya - Vapor seems to be very close to SW Shoji White, which I have inside my house and find it to be too yellow (and will repaint, diff. post). Am I going to have the same problem with Vapor?

I thought I detected peach, which I would prefer over yellow (but not pink).

Thank you!

We used the sample jar to paint Vapor on the trim next to the new paint. Too yellow. Super white is clearly too white.

Decorators white might work.

I don't want yellow.

I need a crisp white to stand up to the very white windows/shutters.

We cut Vapor 50% and it looks good for the trim.

Still need to decide how to handle the covered lanai.

We tentatively settled on BM Bahama Sea Blue for the door. (It will POP, maybe too much.)

We cut Vapor 50% and it looks good for the trim.

If it works, it works.

It's just a door. I never say it's just paint. But it's seriously just a door to repaint. It might feel too much in the beginning but live with it for a while knowing it's not a big deal to change.

Because major prep work will have been done, it's pretty much just clean and repaint.

Vapor (now at 50%) is for the trim on the front of the house. We are considering it for the covered lanai. The door will be blue.

The paint looks great so far - really happy with the base color. Starting to wonder if I should just do the covered lanai area the same with a white ceiling.

@Lori A. Sawaya Thank you very much for being there - really appreciate you and your time!

Sometimes you just have to think it thru out loud. Discussion forums can be a great place to do that.

@Lori A. Sawaya does SW Shell White really have a peach undertone? Is it a candidate for the covered lanai walls/ceiling, which is almost always shaded except early morning? I kind of like the idea of subtle peach, but not if it goes pink. Final decision to make, have to make it before Monday. I painted a BM sample of SW Shell White on the wall and it seems ok but a this point my husband thinks they all look the same (they look different to me) and I have analysis paralysis and fear of commitment. It's not a big area so we could re-do it but its so painful I hope we don't have to. THANK YOU!

Perhaps I should be looking for a light aqua color. Using BM paint, maybe Barely Teal or SW Watery, perhaps lightened. Gotta decide and get samples today!

Everything is pushed together due to cleaning prior to painting.

The green cushion will be replaced. That little bit of sun on the left is all this area gets.

Going to use BM Vapor (full strength). I don't see yellow in it in this area.

I do like the green cushions they give it some freshness and texture color

Before lanai is painted

the white looks great.

I didn't read everything. is the brown color the new color for the entire house??

really like that white w/a contrasting trim color

If those are the final colors, then I'd say you need some type of seperation between the two colors. like a thick piece of wood, (accent type) or some type of border, etc.

you could do a wood siding material on the ceiling. or a cedar/redwood, composite wood siding,,,

@Beth H. : The brown (BM Sherwood Tan 150%) is the new whole house color and we really like it. It goes well with the orange roof, bronze gutters, and pavers. BM Vapor is the trim and the walls in the covered lanai. (The hurricane shutters are white.) We thought the brown might be too dark for the covered area that gets very little direct sun. We go back and forth on liking the white and wondering if we should have maybe lightened the brown,

When we look out from the inside living area, the contrast isn't bad and it looks nice. It's the side view that is most noticeable.

I have considered doing a wood ceiling, but don't want to make it heavy/dark.

Presumably moving the furniture back and getting an outdoor rug will help alleviate the contrast,

That looks good that now outlines your patio brightly!

I love my front door!

New lights, too! (maybe should be higher but had to work with existing wiring location).

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couple of suggestions??

I like what you've done w/the coloring, but I'd do a few more things.

Bring in copper. Do a copper door handle and copper exterior lights.

and if you can, find a patina/copper hanging pendant for the porch.

The garage door, get some copper or patina or brass (instead of the black) carriage hardware

See this one? just like that (or the weathered copper -patina)

This is the color of copper patina. has more green/teal rather than your turquoise.

You could prob take your current door color paint and add a bit of this green to it to make a custom door color closer to this shade

I did the garage door, new lights, address plaque, and gave you some black mulch

you want a mix of blue patina w/the green patina to get something like this color:

BTW, if you ever wanted to switch to black, it would look amazing w/the copper,

now, bring in the flower beds. do the red or the black mulch, or rock

@Beth H. : The lights are bronze, not black and I'm very happy with them. I spent a lot of time finding lights I liked. I love my door color and it goes with the interior. Will never put fake hardware on the garage and it's hurricane country so no windows on the garage either. The house is all garage, so no need to highlight it further IMHO.

Do need an address plaque, had to wait for the lights to go up to see where it would go.

We have a long term plan for landscaping, right now everything is drowning as we've had a lot of rain. This is part of our recovery from hurricane Ian.

But way to take the joy away, thanks.

ker, I said I liked what you did. all I added were a few suggestions. sorry you took it the wrong way . (you never mentioned anything about landscaping)

the lights are fine. couldn't really see the color in the pic.

I mentioned the front door handle because what you have is silver.

I mentioned a slightly diff door color that I think looks better w/the copper tones. not a big deal. your turqoise is fine.

the garage door is front and center no matter what you do. You aren't fooling anyone into it not being there.(In your area, code requires garage doors must be impact resistant, regardless of windows. And those windows are also impact rated. some insurance companies give discounts for these upgrades)

if all it takes is one person suggesting some new hardware and a slightly greener front door to take your joy away, you've got bigger fish to fry. I said nothing critical of what you've done.

Of note?.......scroll to the very end of comments in this thread,

https://www.houzz.com/discussions/6359906/option-1-or-option-2-for-kitchen-layout#n=539

please and my comment?

Thank you and much appreciated. Extra credit if you even read/skim a half.: )

@Lori A. Sawaya thank you for helping, I truly appreciate all the time you spent educating and supporting me through this. I could not have done it without you and thanks to you, it came out great!

@JAN MOYER I was following that thread for quite a while. I am grateful to Lori and have thanked her in this post previously and will do so again, she was extremely helpful.

@Beth H. : Personally, I find people suggesting significant (and expensive) changes (e.g., lights, paint) after all the work is done, the painter is gone and has been paid, the lights have been purchased and installed, and the OP has expressed that they are very happy with the results, is not helpful (it's different if the OP is not happy and still looking for help). If you were to offer all of those suggestions back when decisions were being made, 2-5 months ago, they would have been helpful and welcomed - I wanted help. Providing them after indicates you believe it wasn't done correctly and you could have done it better. Perhaps, but it's done and I have to move on. There isn't any more money right now; this was an unexpected expense not covered by insurance (and inflation/Bidenomics do not help). I'm ok mixing metals - door handle is fine. I probably won't be here in 10 years and that door color makes me very happy. Coincidentally (or perhaps intuitively), it matches colors in artwork inside. (BM Bahaman Sea Blue)

I understand. But please understand this is what I call the "Internet Kitchen" , and to some extent there is the heat of suggestions. You can take or leave them - and at some point any one of us on this site, will annoy the daylights out of another. Guilty, here!

"But way to take the joy away, thanks".

Or?

"We do have a long term landscaping plan, Beth. We're totally stretched on funds, "finito" for the moment and thankfully, really happy with our look with great guidance gotten here - but your visuals are indeed lovely!

The point here is Beth wasn't trying to kill your happy factor at all ( she loves providing visuals) - and you shouldn't let any comment do that either. It's the internet : )

@Jan Moyer, I said all that before the final sentence. The pros need to take constructive criticism, too. I’ve seen Beth do this before, suggest changes to things that have just been completed. It is deflating and I think you ultimately prefer to lift us up. I meant my comment to be constructive, not generalized bashing. (While I have opinions on generalized disagreement bashing, this is not the post for that.)

I also appreciate all the support you provide; I learn something from you every time I read your posts. Thank you.

ker9- no prob. I forget not everyone is able to whip out paint and do changes. my bad. enjoy your completed update.

@Beth H - whipping out a paint brush is not the point, the point is that I clearly stated the work was completed and I was happy with it; that I loved the color of my door.

Well? In this business, and especially for those of us who've been at it a long time? We often change a lot of things people "love" . So you have to forgive Beth who had NO malicious intent, other than to make suggestions , and who is very accustomed to "whipping out a paint brush" ......and a tool belt.

It's the internet. Kitchen variety, with steam , heat, sweets, the works.

KER9, oh for crying out loud, what do you want? a thousand mea culpas? fall on my sword? It's a door color. Get over it already.

You post something on the internet for all to see, and then get upset when someone doesn't wholly agree w/what you've done.I apologized twice already (for something with no mal intent, I might add) . I get it. you got your feelings hurt. are you a toddler or a grown adult? a grown, confident adult would say, 'thanks beth" and move on.

read Jan's last commnt. you get the analogy?