I won't pay their prices, but you would probably be fine with the Tantau roses, and they are hard to find on this continent. I was immediately suspicious of their exclusives, unknown and untested in the garden roses. And it's way too much money on the line for such roses. Diane

Much appreciated you two, it is a big investment for something you're not sure will do well for you, hard to take that risk. I'll look at getting some of the Tantau roses for sure, I wasn't aware some of them are Tantau's so that's great. I'll just be patient for some of the others and see what the feedback is after everyone has had them in their gardens for a few seasons.

Someone on Instagram showed pictures of the roses she received from them. What looked like a large lush plant was actually a group of rooted cuttings!! Apparently, GRF failed to disclose that during the ordering process. Now this person has to nurse a large amount of small cuttings through the winter instead of having a nice large plant to put in the ground now.

I think GRF is counting on the fact that a large part of their target market doesn't know the difference between a group of cuttings in a pot and a large, well grown plant.

Yes, I did see GRF state that. I'm curious how those roses will perform and grow, or if someone could gently tease those cuttings apart and get a few plants out of it.

For my potted roses I do plant two roses per pot and they seem to be fine, the one is around 8 years old now. I do have to carefully prune them though. In the ground might be a different story though

That's good that GRF states that...I stand corrected!

Honestly, probably all her roses seem to be displaying superior disease resistance because they are being grown in an arid climate where diseases are nearly nonexistent. But there’s no guarantee that they will be in other locations.

As for multiple cuttings in one pot, that could almost induce me to order some and try them. They could be carefully separated and potted up and coddled a bit and you would have multiples for the price of one! That would maybe make them affordable. I have never ordered from them because of their prices.

Yes, that is my concern - she's located where there isn't a lot of humidity vs where I live. Will try to be patient and see how the roses grow for others. Or I might cave and get a couple (especially Ashley) and just see how they do.

To be fair, Grace Rose Farm did explain (at least on their Facebook group page) that the own-root plants would have two plugs per pot, which is what I received. I separated them and planted them separately in the ground. I personally would prefer two smaller plants per pot rather than one large one; they're easier to plant and you get two bushes for the price of one.

The part I was confused about is that they said they were only shipping own-root plants right now and I received a few that I am 99% certain are grafted. I did get an email back from customer stating that the plants I received are indeed own-root. Maybe I am wrong but they really look grafted to me 🤷‍♀️

That looks own root to me, like a basal break, but I am not any sort of rose expert so maybe I am wrong, just comparing that one to my grafted roses. My grafted roses have a very obvious very large bud union and the rootstock is much thicker and older and pretty woody.

Maybe someone else more knowledgable can chime in :)

I agree, that looks own root to me.

Thanks for your input, Brittany and Magpie, I hope you're right 🙂

That's own root. It's not a basal break (which is actually a new cane growing from the bud union of a grafted rose). The cutting they took just had a branching stem on it.

@meg They teach me that a cut like that cane is the graft. Your photo is a grafted rose not own root.

I am growing Unforgettable and Jadore currently and have 20 more coming in the spring. The two that I have are healthy with very little black spot so far. I am hopeful that they wont require a lot of work to keep them clean (bs free).

I am not on her FB page very often and only wish that if she was sending several bands in one gallon that would be in the description of the website for buyers awareness. Hopefully that is not the case and overwintering them will allow more time for growth 😀

Thanks for sharing Rose Geek - I live nearby you so if they're doing well for you they should for me. I forgot, I did order J'Adore, I believe it is coming in the spring. I'll look into Unforgettable

Yes, it looks like their FB group is the best way to get info, hopefully in the future they'll share the important news and updates on their website too for those who aren't on FB

I agree with Susan. The cutting they took had a branching stem. Personally, if it was my rose, I would plant it deep enough that the branching area was all under ground to encourage growth from all sides. That has worked well for me, but if there are other more experienced rose growers who say there are good reasons not to, I defer to them.

I think GRF has sold roses in very different formats over the last few years.

Last year they were selling over-planted varieites from their florist fields. Those were huge mature plants that look grafted. I got Yves Piaget and Cream Yves that way.

They have also sold own roots , presumabley grown by themselves.

They seem to be moving toward larger plants grown in Arizona (I’m guessing by Francis Roses).

My point is their product is in transition, so you might get a very different plant from someone else in the past..

Thank you Ben! Yes, I meant their new exclusive potted roses, sorry for the confusion. I have heard great things about the grafted roses from their property they had sold, but I think they sold all of those now. I totally missed out on that :(