As of now my Pin oaks and Nr Oaks are still reddish. The Sunday night winds Nov 17 th have made my Metasequoia and many Q. Bicolors lose leaves. I want to add that the local areas Q. Alba (white oaks) are Russet red, but I have 3 in my yard and the 2 that I gave powdered seaweed to in 2009 or 2010 have had ugly fall color. The trees grow fine in the growing season, but the one that I never gave seaweed powder to is Russet red. So I guess PH is an issue. I will be removing the red colored Q. Alba one if my Live oak "late drop" does good this winter though. I would keep, if the "late drop" live oak croaks. I would dig it up and put elsewhere, if the late drop stays alive, if not for the many shade plants that are in the root-zone of the Q. Alba. So if the Live oak "late drop" does okay this winter, I have to cull the Q. Alba. I can grow them anywhere in my zone, but if the live oaks are fine after winter #2, I must keep them where they are, so they will hopefully continue to do well. Of course the Beech is still red tannish.

Only in young specimens. In older oaks, even those that color rather well have more of a brown/russet hue most of the time. There has to be some sort of "juvenile" characteristic in the chemical makeup of a young oak that goes away over time.

Hi Alicia, I did a search for oaks and saw your post from almost two years ago. I am always looking for native trees with exceptional characteristics. I love oaks, and the white oak especially. I'm not sure if you are still at the same place, or if you are interested in trading, but if you are, I would love to get some of the acorns from your white oak trees for my collection. If you are interested please let me know what I can trade you for, or if you want a SASE deal. Thanks in advance! Marc

I am kinda bored here, so I will just add that i wish I had more leaves than I do. I will have plenty in a few years. I like to make compost. I used to go collect folks fall leaves at the leaf dump. This is the first year for a while which I haven't done it actually. In my last post I meant to say to mow them over in spring, but I said fall. But if you mow them over in spring or fall and add kitchen peelings of fruits/veggies and mix with a garden fork or use a tumbler, you can add to your garden to improve your soil. Sorry if you already do this, or know about it but don't wanna do it. Just figured I'd add that idea. It helps create the "humusy soil" that some plants seen to favor, For some adding peat moss sparingly helps also. I know this is the tree forum, but some shade plants for under these trees appreciate leaf mold and composted organic material etc. Poaky1