Moonzie,

I have a recommendation a little bit off the beaten path. It is Popcorn Drift. The rose is aptly named because the buds, when first showing color are a rich buttery yellow color, just like generously buttered popcorn. Then the open, cupped blooms hold the buttery yellow color as they transition to a smooth, bright white. What is extraordinary about this rose is its incredibly long period of lasting in individual bloom, long after ever expected. I wait, and wait, and wait to dead head, saying to myself, "When will these blooms quit!?" It's almost as if they're frozen in time.

Maybe you already grow Popcorn Drift, but if not, I see its inclusion in your white garden as being a tremendous asset.

Moses

White Cap is lovely with a touch of cream.

Popcorn drift really is a winner. I am also a big fan if Kordes Lion’s Rose. the blooms are big and just keep coming. They hold on well too.

Always love Bolero

oh! Markay MD and Moses I have never seen popcorn drift. I am going to look into that one some more. Markay MD Is your photo Lions Rose? I do have that one and I'm really happy with it. Does well in shade and leaves are healthy. It's in a pot with and not on the drip system and seems to be doing superb. Whereas I have Tranquility and Desdemona in pots as well and on the drip and they are doing just fine but that Lion is healthy. I was hoping for something a touch more in color like Claire or more white but I will consider that maybe even transplant the one in the pot and then I only need to buy one more. The two bushes will sit inside a boxwood hedge shape.

librarian_gardner Is it a more arching or bowing shrub vs an upright shape? It certainly has romantic blooms.

It is one of the most mannerly roses I grow. This one is in a half wine barrel and my other is in the ground. Both are beautifully shaped shrubs and I have done only minimal pruning. They grow well on their own roots and grafted.

Here the one in the ground, on its second flush this summer. I failed to dead head it and it still bloomed this much. It's the 3rd summer, planted May 2021 from an own root band and it's probably 4ft by 4ft. I didn't hard prune it this spring either--- I just deadheaded in the fall.

@moonzie_zone8 the pic is Lion’s rose. it is usually not as apricot as it appears in the pic and appears a soft cream. Another very healthy option to consider might be Polar express. It is so healthy. Blooms start soft yellow and open cream.

How is bolero for cutting? I’ve heard stems are short

Aaron, I like Bolero for cutting. It often has short stems, but sometimes throws some pretty decent length stems.

I agree, I like Bolero for cutting, too. I'd say it's stem length is similar to many Austin shrubs and other romantic shrubs. Not short but more like medium.

My longest stems come from my super tall HTs: Sweet Mademoiselle, Princesse Charlene, La Fontaine aux Perles, Rogue Royal, Sweet Delight, Dee-Lish, Crazy Fashion. And I have a few climbers that will give me clusters on long stems: Crown Princess Margareta, Red Eden, Madame Anisette, Emily Bronte, Wollerton Old Hall.

I just watched Rose Geeks you tube video with Paul Zimmerman about her knot garden. He suggested shorter roses to keep the visual of the boxwood shape. I believe she ended up going with Boleros and White Meidilands. I have never seen White Meidilands. I think I should consider @moses suggestion of popcorn drift as well. I need to research which of these can take less than full sun. It looks like White Meidiland can grown quite wide my boxwood interiors are more of a triangle and six feet seems too big. They look pretty though.

Bolero sounds like it will be good with all my parameters.

Where do you live? I grow WM and really like this rose. I think someone else on this form in California grows it also was either Lisa or maybe Ingrid I cannot recall any longer. They loved it also. Quite healthy can take a bit of shade