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Which Tea rose do I have please?..

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A few details. I imported this Tea rose from Roses Loubert, France last winter. It's supposed to be 'Mme. Falcot' but I really don't think it's anything like the original rose of that name, as that's supposed to be yellow.. however it could be the 'Mme. Falcot' that's doing the rounds in Europe/U.S.?

Obviously my rose is very young, first season.

Alternatives I have come up with, in case it was sent out with incorrect i.d. are ..

'Marie van Houtte' and 'Maman Cochet', both of which Loubert offer.

I cannot see anything else on their inventory that comes close.

So if you are familiar with any of these roses, could you please..

1. Advise if you think it's the 'Mme. Falcot' that you know.

2. It's 'Marie van Houtte'

3. It's 'Maman Cochet'

4. None of the above and something else entirely.

I am not familiar enough with any of those roses. On checking old archives here and HMF I am still not sure, but my guess would be 'Maman Cochet'..

Photos to follow, thanks for taking a look..

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Marlorena
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Sheila / Ingrid, thank you... Mlle Franziska Kruger I thought was a good call, not one I had thought of, as indeed Souv, de Pierre Notting... I think with Mlle F K I can find a few things different in that the foliage doesn't look quite right, and the receptacle looks very different on HMF pictures than my rose, but the blooms do look very similar.. I'm not getting any vegetative centres either.

With Souv de P N.. I gather this rose discolours easily, and seems to have more yellow than mine..

However, Loubert's do sell both these roses too..

I love your Marie van Houtte, Sheila, I wish I had that one.

I'm drawing the conclusion what Sheila said, it's probably the 'Mme. Falcot' that is in commerce, even though it can't be the original, which was said to hate wet weather.

We're having a cool, very wet summer.. old fashioned.. not something I've seen in recent years.

This rose is a trooper, and withstands the wet, opens in cool conditions, does not ball, and I've had torrential rain and the blooms and buds are almost unaffected.. I'm astonished by this rose in my conditions.

..some more pics.. this is a keeper isn't it?.

..this bloom I just took off the bush is 6 days old and soaking wet.. not too bad..

..thanks for your help as always, ladies.. I'd just love to know what it really is..

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Marlorena
Original Author
last year
Reddish foliage..

..angular growth habit..

..plenty of red hooked thorns..

I find the opening buds exquisitely beautiful..

..there is a light Tea scent to the bloom, sometimes more noticeable than others.. the centre is peachy/pink..
Marlorena
Original Author
last year
I should add that, I realise I ought to ask Roses Loubert, but I really don't want to do that right now, as they were good enough to send me some roses at very reasonable shipping costs, and I don't want them to think I'm complaining about one, or hinting at a refund.. I don't want that at all, and I'm delighted with this rose, I think it's stunning.. I'd just like some idea of what it may be, if not 'Mme. Falcot'..
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Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
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I have Maman Cochet and Marie van Houtte and I don't think your rose is either of those. I think you might have what is being sold as Mme Falcot now.
Marlorena thanked Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
ingrid_vc zone 10 San Diego County
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I wouldn't want to complain too much, either, for receiving this beauty, Marlorena. Judging by the coloring I would want to say Mlle. Franziska Kruger, although I'm not certain the blooms on yours have enough petals to be that temperamental beauty. It often balls or has vegetative centers, but it nevertheless is one of my favorite tea roses, which lasted the longest in my garden because it was small enough that it could be contained in a chicken wire surround. I wonder if Sheila might have an idea since she has so many wonderful teas in her garden.
Marlorena thanked ingrid_vc zone 10 San Diego County
Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
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Ingrid, my MFK and Souv de Pierre Notting do look more like Marlorena's rose than do my Maman Cochet or MvH.

Interestingly, I was sent MFK (my second) instead of Souv de Pierre Notting which I had ordered. I finally got Souv de Pierre Notting and love them both.

Souv de Pierre Notting. Pierre can look peachier and MFK can look yellow or peach too.
Marlorena thanked Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
ingrid_vc zone 10 San Diego County
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Sheila, your SdPN certainly looks like a very likely contender. As I recall my Mlle. Franziska was always peach rather than yellow, but as we know location is everything.

Here's Franziska:
Marlorena thanked ingrid_vc zone 10 San Diego County
Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
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Souv de Pierre

Maman Cochet

Marie van Houtte
Marlorena thanked Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
ingrid_vc zone 10 San Diego County
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Oh my, definitely a keeper! It seems to be one of those roses that looks good at every stage, and that's a big plus.

I'm so glad you're having a cool, rainy summer, Marlorena. Much better than what southern Europe is experiencing, and I'm sure your roses are appreciating it, and you probably are too. I'd be in heaven if we ever had one of those, but that never happens.
Marlorena thanked ingrid_vc zone 10 San Diego County
bart bart
last year
Agree completely with you, Ingrid! The idea of a cool,rainy summer sounds like Heaven to me.

Marlorena, that rose-whatever it is-is truly fantastically beautiful; I'm tempted to order a "Mme. Falcot" from Loubert in the hope of getting one like yours, whatever it is. However, with Teas I can't help but think that it's very difficult to determine identity just by the blooms ,since the flowers seem to vary so much according to climate, etc.
Marlorena thanked bart bart
Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
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Like Bart says, the Teas do vary a lot. Here is Souv de PN today looking peachier.

Another I have looking somewhat like your rose, Marlorena, is my cl White Maman Cochet.
Marlorena thanked Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
titian1 10b Sydney
last year
Marlorena, you could maybe try messaging on HMF one of the ladies who wrote the Tea rose book, billy teabag.
Marlorena
Original Author
last year
Trish.. I hadn't thought of that - good idea.. thank you ..

..thanks for later pics Sheila.. I'm still not sure as to what I have exactly.. I shall carry on calling it 'Mme. Falcot' for now.. the blooms last forever..
humble5zone9atx
last year
Sheila, where did you get the correct Souvenir de Pierre Notting?
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Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
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I think it was from Rose Petals nursery. They have some great roses.
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humble5zone9atx
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thank you Sheila! RPN no longer carries it but I found it at A Reverence of Roses so now i'm on the waitlist for it. Fingers crossed I get it soon!
Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
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It may have been Roses Unlimited, Humble. Good luck.

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