Hi Chantal If you want beast that blooms consistently through the summer and laughs off winter in the 5-6 border and well beyond, my vote is for either Quadra or Illusion. Both are crimson-red colors (garden translation - darkish pink), and are no care, no spray, hardy, and long-blooming. Like most roses, they'll rest a bit between bigger flushes but are never entirely without blooms through frost. Both are also thorny puppies when mature, able to give New Dawn a good fight for survival and worth being cautious pruning around them. If you can handle the thuggishness of New Dawn, these would be good to try. Cynthia

Thanks, all, for your thoughts and passing along your experiences! My recollection from when I grew 'Cl. Chrysler Imperial' is of sturdy, stiff canes which fairly well resisted all attempts to tie them to the trellis sitting impotently behind them. The blossoms came mainly in the springtime burst at the end of the secondaries which sprouted from the cut-back canes (I'd prune it back to about 4-5 feet at winter pruning time). I remember trying to apply the "bend the canes horizontally to induce blooming" technique; but the canes were too stiff. All of this, however, is based on budded plants; it's a big question how an own-root 'Cl. Chrysler Imperial' would behave. As, in the 1950s-1970s, it was one of the standard climbing roses which, year after year, one could expect to be in stock at the local nursery, I was shocked when, in the 90s, I had a notion to replace some disappointing climbing roses with my old favorite . . . and couldn't find it for sale anywhere. 'Chrysler Imperial' is the standard to which I compare any (modern) red rose; and the fragrance of 'Chrysler Imperial' is the standard to which I compare the fragrance of any rose of whatever color which has a scent more or less in that category. It's not productive over the course of the year; but it is magnificent. There is nothing which can compare to that week in spring when a 'Cl. Chrysler Imperial' which has had the benefit of good technique and culture is studded with its two or three dozen big but elegant deep crimson blossoms, slowly swirling open in a cloud of rich fragrance. I've compared it in the past to the opium-dream scene in the ballet "La Bayadere," each blossom performing its own perfect arabesques on the stage of its plant perfectly echoed by all of the other dancers/blossoms performing their own perfect arabesques. Some things are beautiful; others are not only beautiful but also a life-enhancing privilege to experience! Here is a link that might be useful: La Bayadere -- Kingdom of the Shades

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Another fun comparison: Left: RU, Distant Thunder, Own Root, I’ve had it about 1 month. This plant had the thinnest stems of the three, also had smaller root ball than the K&M. Very healthy, put out a lot of new growth Middle: Wayside, Molineaux, Bare Root, Dr Huey, also had it about a month. By far the thickest stems, but of course being bare root had to grow new feeder roots. Good progress, there’s even a bud. Right: K&M, Buxom Beauty ,Fortuniana, just arrived today. Thicker stems than the RU rose, also had a very dense rootball. Was trimmed short significantly to fit in packing box so most of the mature foliage is gone, but lots of new growth remains, even 2 buds. I’m very happy with all three providers, and thankful that I’m able to get hard-to-find varities in mid summer in great health!