I'll offer an appe tree more specifically pink cripps apple

Hi. I can't check in here as much as I'd like to but I had to hop on a fragrant rose discussion! :) I do not care for the tea fragrance myself - I prefer damask rose and sweet rose fragrances. Our climates are different - BS is the plague of my humid Maryland garden. I grow the following HT's on your list and you've picked some fantastic fragrant HTs but I can't comment on disease resistance in your climate. You should order them anyway - just to smell. : ) Halloween - more fruity than rosy Papa Meilland - super rosy - must get! Radiance - smooth rose A+ for disease resistance, but can ball September Morn - powdery rose Sutter's Gold - fruity Talisman - fruity Oklahoma - Papa's fragrance is stronger and better IMHO Alec's Red - spicy rose The Doctor - this one is not grown much but what an amazing scent - yowza mega fruity rose, but very prone to BS in my garden MMe. Jules Bouchet is doing very well in my garden - Vintage says she's a doer in every way - you might want to consider this rose and see how it does no spray. Amazing fragrance. Regarding marie pavie and brown leaves - My MP did the same, but I discovered it was spider mites - they really like MP. Blast the suckers off with water and watch the plant thrive. Maybe the thread discussing this is still searchable? Have fun! Here is a link that might be useful: Jules

Another fun comparison: Left: RU, Distant Thunder, Own Root, I’ve had it about 1 month. This plant had the thinnest stems of the three, also had smaller root ball than the K&M. Very healthy, put out a lot of new growth Middle: Wayside, Molineaux, Bare Root, Dr Huey, also had it about a month. By far the thickest stems, but of course being bare root had to grow new feeder roots. Good progress, there’s even a bud. Right: K&M, Buxom Beauty ,Fortuniana, just arrived today. Thicker stems than the RU rose, also had a very dense rootball. Was trimmed short significantly to fit in packing box so most of the mature foliage is gone, but lots of new growth remains, even 2 buds. I’m very happy with all three providers, and thankful that I’m able to get hard-to-find varities in mid summer in great health!

sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida 9a) SAID: "Although Mrs B R Cant might not be technically a OGR (1901), she is still pretty old lol. I really love her fragrance. I think she is one of my all time favorites . . . " BUT SHE IS AN OGR! ARS's official definition of "Old Garden Roses" is that ANY rose OF A CLASS OF ROSES that existed prior to 1867 is considered to be an "Old Garden Rose." SO, if I were to introduce a Tea Rose, say next month ... it would be an "Old Garden Rose." And people HAVE created modern-born "Old Roses". At the same time, Hybrid Musks and Polyanthas (as examples) are NOT "Old Garden Roses" because they did not exist as a class prior to 1867. Why 1867? Because that was the date of the introduction of the first Hybrid Tea Rose -- The first "Modern Rose".