Hi. I can't check in here as much as I'd like to but I had to hop on a fragrant rose discussion! :) I do not care for the tea fragrance myself - I prefer damask rose and sweet rose fragrances. Our climates are different - BS is the plague of my humid Maryland garden. I grow the following HT's on your list and you've picked some fantastic fragrant HTs but I can't comment on disease resistance in your climate. You should order them anyway - just to smell. : ) Halloween - more fruity than rosy Papa Meilland - super rosy - must get! Radiance - smooth rose A+ for disease resistance, but can ball September Morn - powdery rose Sutter's Gold - fruity Talisman - fruity Oklahoma - Papa's fragrance is stronger and better IMHO Alec's Red - spicy rose The Doctor - this one is not grown much but what an amazing scent - yowza mega fruity rose, but very prone to BS in my garden MMe. Jules Bouchet is doing very well in my garden - Vintage says she's a doer in every way - you might want to consider this rose and see how it does no spray. Amazing fragrance. Regarding marie pavie and brown leaves - My MP did the same, but I discovered it was spider mites - they really like MP. Blast the suckers off with water and watch the plant thrive. Maybe the thread discussing this is still searchable? Have fun! Here is a link that might be useful: Jules

Thanks, all, for your thoughts and passing along your experiences! My recollection from when I grew 'Cl. Chrysler Imperial' is of sturdy, stiff canes which fairly well resisted all attempts to tie them to the trellis sitting impotently behind them. The blossoms came mainly in the springtime burst at the end of the secondaries which sprouted from the cut-back canes (I'd prune it back to about 4-5 feet at winter pruning time). I remember trying to apply the "bend the canes horizontally to induce blooming" technique; but the canes were too stiff. All of this, however, is based on budded plants; it's a big question how an own-root 'Cl. Chrysler Imperial' would behave. As, in the 1950s-1970s, it was one of the standard climbing roses which, year after year, one could expect to be in stock at the local nursery, I was shocked when, in the 90s, I had a notion to replace some disappointing climbing roses with my old favorite . . . and couldn't find it for sale anywhere. 'Chrysler Imperial' is the standard to which I compare any (modern) red rose; and the fragrance of 'Chrysler Imperial' is the standard to which I compare the fragrance of any rose of whatever color which has a scent more or less in that category. It's not productive over the course of the year; but it is magnificent. There is nothing which can compare to that week in spring when a 'Cl. Chrysler Imperial' which has had the benefit of good technique and culture is studded with its two or three dozen big but elegant deep crimson blossoms, slowly swirling open in a cloud of rich fragrance. I've compared it in the past to the opium-dream scene in the ballet "La Bayadere," each blossom performing its own perfect arabesques on the stage of its plant perfectly echoed by all of the other dancers/blossoms performing their own perfect arabesques. Some things are beautiful; others are not only beautiful but also a life-enhancing privilege to experience! Here is a link that might be useful: La Bayadere -- Kingdom of the Shades

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For my own rose cuttings. I have three kinds: Here's quick want list, totally unlimited. 'Ambridge rose' 'angel face' 'anne harkness' 'audrey hepburn' 'blue girl' 'chandos beauty' 'cream abundance' 'dortmund' 'easy does it' 'fragrant cloud' 'francesca' 'french lace' 'gentle persuasion' 'good ol' summertime' 'heirloom' 'just joey' 'lagerfeld' 'lolita' 'marmalade' 'moondance' 'oover the moon' 'pearlie mae' 'penny lane' 'polka' 'robert clemens' 'sedona' 'serendipity' 'sir lancelot' 'solstice' 'sunstruck' 'talisman climber' 'westerland' 'white delight' Love corals, creams, yellows, white, purple/blue, orange. Fragrance and cutting value a plus. Not to cool with plain pink or red though, go figure. Thanks, -Amanda