These are a group of roses based on the work of Joseph Pernet-Ducher -- the man whose breeding introduced the yellow/orangy colors to roses. From Brent Dickerson: "28. PERNETIANA ROSES. Though the new HT's had definite primrose yellow tinges from their Tea connections, Pernet-Ducher of Lyon, France, wanted to develop a deep yellow. Experimentation in the 1890's with the difficult to breed with R. fÂtida at length brought a cross between it and an old purple-red HP, 'Antoine Ducher'. From this came 'Soleil d'Or' of 1900, a rather difficult-to-grow plant with blossoms of a revolutionary coloration: gold/pink/saffron/etc., much more pronounced than it had ever been in the Teas. This cross and its nearer descendants were called "Pernetiana Roses" in honor of Pernet-Ducher. They are characterized by growth and health quirks associated with R. fÂtida (glossy leaves, die-back, fungal problems). To remedy these problems, and to satisfy what would be the natural urge, breeders began crossing these Pernetianas with the Hybrid Teas of the time, producing wild colors in oranges, hot pinks, bright yellows, flame, apricot . . . By the late 1920's, these two races had merged to produce the Modern Hybrid Tea of today. 'Soleil d'Or', 'Mme. Ãdouard Herriot', 'Los Angeles', 'Souvenir de Claudius Pernet', 'Souvenir de Georges Pernet', 'Willowmere', 'Autumn', 'California', 'Arthur R. Goodwin', 'Lyon-Rose'." Also See: http://www.rdrop.com/~paul/main.sept2005.html and the entry below . . . Jeri Here is a link that might be useful: Wikipedia Entry

when did it frost last ... 2 weeks ago???? z5 is 99.99% frost free as of today ... but late frost that happened 2 to 4 weeks ago.. MIGHT just be showing as the temps climb .... a picture is necessary to go any further ken

Thanks everyone. I really didn't want to move them for lack of room but I really like them and want to keep them. In the spring they are fine because the crape myrtles aren't very big but now they are huge and nothing in that bed gets the sun it got in the spring. I think I will cut them back since they are shaded so much now so I can tidy up the bed and then move them this fall. Thanks everyone for all your help. Now I guess this gives me an excuse to buy some new plants next spring to fill that spot, for shade this time around. lol!!! Thanks, Judy

Straw: Good details on Pernetiana Roses. Here is a photo of Condesa de Sastago leaves.....