Can We Use Container Size to Limit Growth of Invasive Trumpet Vine?
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Comments (63)I saw the thread you referred to & didn't comment. First, when you're talking about a micro-nutrient deficiency, you're talking about elements that are generally not mobile. Sulfur, chloride, copper, zinc, manganese, iron and molybdenum are marginally mobile in plants, but only under certain circumstances. Most of the mobility in the elements listed is usually associated with the breakdown of amino acids and proteins in older parts of the plant, only under nitrogen deficient conditions. IOW, they're only mobile when the plant is robbing nutrients from old tissues before they are shed, and translocating them to other tissues via the phloem stream. Since these elements are essentially immobile during periods of adequate N supply, a foliar application (spray) really doesn't do much good. It can alleviate the deficiency temporarily by supplying Mn to the leaves it contacts, but unless it rinses off the foliage and enters the plant through the root pathway, it won't be present in the nutrient stream to ensure the normal development of new growth. This is the reason that, no matter what advertising claims are made, Ca spray supplements are so ineffective at eliminating BER. Ca is considered immobile in the plant, so if Ca is not in the nutrient stream as new cells/tissues are forming, the tissue will form abnormally, with weak cell walls and other issues - BER. In the same vein as what you were mentioning, I don't like to advise people to use this element or that element to 'cure' an 'apparent' deficiency. Many 'deficiencies' aren't deficiencies at all, only symptoms of cultural inadequacies; or, they are deceptive, varying widely in symptoms, and even then, many of the symptoms overlap. One of the first things experts will agree on is that diagnosing many nutritional deficiencies is little more than a crap shoot w/o the benefit of tissue analysis, so there is a good chance the diagnosis will be wrong. Second, adding individual elements can easily affect the uptake of another or create a toxicity. E.g., if someone had applies an Fe supplement to try to 'green up the leaves', he might have unwittingly have caused a Mn deficiency. Fe and Mn are known as classic antagonists, and a deficiency/excess of one can affect the uptake of the other. Adding Mn only can affect the uptake of Fe, P, N, and other elements as well. It just makes much better sense to me to use a fertilizer that supplies the elements most apt to be deficient in container media, or to use a fertilizer like FP, that ensures all the essential elements plants take up via their roots are available in a favorable ratio. Ideally, when one element is getting to the point it is in short supply, they all will be - at the same time. Using fast soils that allow you to water so you're flushing excesses out before you fertilize again, helps to keep the ratios in balance, so there should never be a need to supplement individual elements. Plants DO take what they need and leave the rest, but it is decidedly in our favors to keep 'the rest' at a minimal level. If the person is actually using FP on a regular basis, it's unlikely there is a Mn deficiency unrelated to pH. Like Fe deficiencies that occur when using soluble fertilizers (they all contain Fe), the Fe is in the soil, but unavailable. Mn is affected by pH in the same way as Fe. My advice would have been to flush the soil thoroughly and fertilize; or, if the grower really was using the fertilizer regularly and at adequate solution strength, to add enough vinegar to bring the irrigation water pH down to 5.8-6.0. Al...See Moretrumpet vine management
Comments (3)Just really make sure you're up to the commitment to clip those pods. When we moved into our house 20 years ago, the entire back yard was full of sprouting trumpet vine. It was everywhere, from up the side of the house itself to choking the lilac bush, and all open spaces in between. I have used gallons of Round-up over the years in my efforts to control/eradicate it. It has an extremely deep root, near impossible to just pull, and even if you dig below dirtline and cut it still comes back. I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would want to grow the stuff. I probably have an extreme case gone wild, but I recommend being very diligent in your care of the little monster!...See More'Trumpet' Vines?
Comments (9)welcome to NC! ok- as far as the honeysuckles the one you want to avoid is the japanese one, lonicera japonica. you can plant coral honeysuckle which is vigorous, but not invasive, and unfortunately not fragrant. it's lonicera sempervirens. it's a gorgeous coral red with yellowy throats that the hummers adore, and blooms heavily in spring then on & off all summer through fall. there are some yellow flowered cultivars of it. there are some other honeysuckles and i'm sorry i can't recall the names, that look a bit more like the jap kind, but are flushed with pink and gold and behave well and have fragrance that the hummers enjoy. campsis radicans, trumpet vine-aka cow itch-aka trumpet creeper is a native vine, but it is pretty invasive. i have it on my prop and let it grow up into one tree for the hummers, but keep the rest mowed off at the ground. it's like maypop- it comes up far and wide form the original from underground runners. cross vine- bignonia capreolata, is semi-well behaved. it's a native, too- and it's everywhere for me, and hard to eradicate where you don't want. it likes to climb high and flower- it flowers at about 40-60' in my trees. i think the improved versions like tangerine may flower more profusely for you than the straight species. hummers love both cross and trumpet vine, and i have both growing up big trees and flowering very successfully. they also like carolina jessamine, another native that can get a bit unruly. it's yellow, unlike the others, and so it could offer some contrast. another thing you may not have considered for hummers, is coral bells, heuchera species (look for the ones with red or pink bells- so many now have smaller dingy white flowers). and most of the salvias are magnets, too, even the blue ones like guaranitica. they like annuals like petunias, morning glories and million bells, too. more uncommon vines like manettia and mina lobata tickle them for later in the year. all that said, i'd be cautious about planning to plant too much this year though, with the drought. the likelihood of it continuing is too great, and water too scare to water much. if you are going to plant, do it soon while the earth is still moist and the things can get well established before it gets too dry. even with that, there's a good chance you'll lose much of what you plant now. i think i'd be content to get 2 or 3 feeders and hang those to draw in the hummers this year. best of luck with your gardens!...See MoreNeighbor's Trumpet Vines taking over my yard
Comments (18)Why not kill the vine with kindness? Fill jars with dilute Roundup solution (3 parts water, I part Roundup), place ends of vines in the jars through holes in the lids and seal the jars by twisting the jar, not the lid. The jars can be hidden by shrubs or other vegetation. The vines will gladly take up the Roundup/water solution and be grateful for the additional water. Top off the solution in the jars as needed with additional solution as the vines take in the water and transport the roundup into their roots. Next year, the vines will be very unhealthy if they even survive the winter. Repeat the second year if necessary. All the roots are probably interconnected, so all parts of the vine in your yard and the neighborâÂÂs yard will eventually die. Commiserate with the neighbors when they express sadness over the unexplained death of their beloved vine....See Morewestes Zone 9b California SF Bay
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