Hi again. Yes, I agree with mary in nc...that this has been a headache dealing with this Thermador. HOWEVER, I must say, and I think any of you that have had to deal with any warranty issues will understand this: when you call for warranty work, 99.9% of the time you are at the mercy of the warranty coordinator. They choose 'who' comes to fix your machine. The person that shows up 'may' know about your range/dw/etc...or not. I have had so many people show up to fix this Thermador that had NEVER worked on one before and thought it would be exactly like a Wolf or Viking, but it's not. I think I just had incompetent reparimen over 75% of the time. So, I've decided to do what mary in nc and weissman have suggested: set the money aside for the time being and 'see' how things go through the holidays. If I have ONE issue that is new, I will sell this thing. If I have a repeat issue, then I will call the guy I trust first. If he doesn't satisfy me, then it's outta' here as soon as possible. I don't have the time to keep messing around with faulty appliances.

Deedles, seems to me it's about time to get some boxes and boards and start mocking up your kitchen and playing at working in it. You're apparently narrowing in on final choices and fine tuning, and this will help you decide between your options. It's also, BTW, how I learned for myself that 35" would be just fine between my island and stove counters with the oven open (I MEASURED my open oven door and didn't ask anyone else.). I don't do turkeys that often, so didn't try to maximize design for that, but I did require being able to leave the door open and the turkey pulled out for turning, etc., and still be able to shuffle safely around to get past it and at it from the usual 3 sides. (Will I allow my little grandchildren to run around in there while I do it? No. But they're not allowed near any stove I'm working at anyway.) I read once that people who grew up with large spaces are most comfortable in them and that people who grew up in small spaces feel more comfortable in them. A generalization, but it does point out that the issues to weigh aren't just the actual space needed for mechanical reasons but also the space that will meet our own emotional needs. Potentially very different numbers. No wonder we all have such different notions. BTW, Kali, I was delighted to read that your own carefully thought out dimension for your aisles was 32". I hope a LOT of people read that. When you're working with limited spaces, it's important to gut-know that a really great kitchen is just as possible as in a large space, sometimes more so as extra space doesn't itself hopefully confuse the issue of what would work best. This happens a LOT here, BTW--so many come with a big space they feel they have to fill, and fill, and fill, stretching an island, extending the counters, deciding on more "must-have" appliances, running up costs, until finally there's no room to add anything else and they're done. Fortunately, with all that space a majority do end up with a part of it that's good to work in. Here and there is an ardent cook who actually uses and loves all of it, and for the rest of us some extra trotting around's usually a good thing.

Michlene, My Hallman works great. No issues at all. Oven heats to 500 and it is conversion so it is fast. Have not tried rotisserie yet; concern about all the clean up, LOL as I did not order the self cleaning panels. I love the range, the color is awesome and everything works as it should. And it got here in about 12-13 weeks. My experience with Hallman has been awesome . Go for it. There are some bad reviews about communicating with the company. I did not have to talk to them at all. I ordered with Appliances Connection and it even had $30 off. LOL Good luck!!

Hello! something strange haooened to me and i wanted to see if anyone had insight. I had worked with an Ilve consultant (out of New Jersey) at the begininng of the year to quote out an Ilve Nostalgie 48inch range. I chose Ilve over Hallman mostly because I had heard bad things about Hallman’s customer service. Well personal stuff came up and we had to post-pone our kitchen renovation to 2022, when i went to contact the Ilve rep to finally complete my order I received an OOO/maternity leave email bounce back. Not a big deal (congrats to her!) but the sales phone number her OOO email provided was answered by someone who answered as ”Hallman.” Are they now the same company? Also the price went up $2,000 from January.. crazy!