all conifers have an annual growth rate for an established plant ... and that is in full sun ... and they will grow at that rate for 100 years ... labels refer to height at 10 years... if you reduce the sun.. you reduce the growth rate.. totally unpredictable by anyone.. except your observation for the next century ... nearly none will die in shade ... but for a cave ... i have two pungens in the hosta beds .. in the deepest shade have.. and they are just fine... i THINK the growth rate should be about 8 inches.. they get about 3 inches.. and they are sparser in the interior.. but remain bluer all year.. since the wax layer that makes them blue doesnt get hot in the sun ... and wear off ... most conifers with yellow tissue need some protection from hot afternoon sun [and i am not going to address winter problems] ... because the yellow tissue is not as vigorous as blue or green.. but better than white .... but shade will make the yellow of TS last longer .. but since the tree totally greens up.. it probably doesnt matter on this one as much ...[i bought and killed 3 of these.. so it isnt one of the easy ones] .... i do not consider FA to be a small pungens... they get huge.. describe your idea of small ... and we can help you choose better... check p. pung. st marys BROOM .. for what i call small ... and there are many other blue conifers available .. but mail order ken

To make a long story longer I will continue to help you through your issues. "You said that if we created a raised bed with amended soil that we would probably lose most of the junipers. I'm not saying we're actually going to attempt this, but what do you think would cause them to die? The transplanting process itself, the amended soil, or the height of the raised bed?" It's just the fact you just planted them last October. They have had 8 months to reestablish with little or no side effects except inner browning which is normal. The fact you are now entertaining digging them back up for reestablishment in a raised bed will not be in their best interests especially with summer around the corner. Also they are not dying tells me your watering is not out of balance. Disregard the 5 inches of rain Mother Nature dumped upon them. I'll take that anytime. A natural occurrence. All nursery personal are programed weather qualified or not to sell shelf products to cure plant aliments. They will tell you all scenarios and create some as to what may be the problem with your plants. Hopefully they didn't relieve your pocket book of any change trying to diagnose all these potential problems. Save your receipts. If not convinced after talking to the forum about your concerns you have call your local extension agent and they will come out and tell you what, if any problems, you could have. Dave

Hello to all of you aficionados, I am dying to find mixed border plans. If I rely on my own limited knowledge and occasional research, it will be ten years before I settle on selections. I have a one acre lot in 5b and can dreamily imagine conifers of all shapes, sizes, colors and textures happily co-habitating with other ornamentals. Where do I begin? Regrettably, I am not in zone 6. Chpielme (Jane)

Juniperus polycarpos Hontalan Published 2010 Mesterházy in Conifer Treasury of Hungary 1.0 Breeder/Found 2005 Hódi Tóth József HUN from sport of male and female plants on Irmasan Gecidi Pass, 1600 m, Toros Mts., TUR Introduced Arizonica Nursery, Csákvár, HUN Description Like a Juniperus foetidissima but massive, no prickly sprouts, no petroleum fragrance. Lively green scales fit axis well. Crop of female plants big, 1 cm diameter black berries. Trunk broad, bark gray-brown, fibrous. On Irmasan standing plants 6-10 m high, approximately 150- 200 years old. Photo documentation Juniperus polycarpos Hontalan Photo author me in the Arizonica Arboretum HUN Juniperus pseudosabina Klincsek Published 2010 Mesterházy in Conifer Treasury of Hungary 1.0 Breeder/Found Hódi Tóth József HUN Klincsek Pál HUN Introduced Arizonica Nursery, Csákvár, HUN Description Sprouts dull, not bright, juvenile needles and adult scales a long time alternate. From Kizil Kum, Kara Kum and Turan lowlands. Full tolerant. Photo documentation Juniperus pseudosabina Klincsek Photo author me in the Arizonica Arboretum HUN Juniperus pseudosabina Turk Published 2010 Mesterházy in Conifer Treasury of Hungary 1.0 Breeder/Found 1996 Rácz István from seed of a plant near Taschkent, Uzbekistan, collect Nr. 35161 Introduced Arizonica Nursery, Csákvár, HUN Description Cylindrical habit, strong leader stem. 5 m high in 2009. Curved, dense branched sprouts, lively green colour also in winter. Male. Snow, sleet, frost, drought no damage. Photo documentation Juniperus pseudosabina Turk Photo author me in the Arizonica Arboretum HUN Juniperus pseudosabina Turk Photo author me in the Arizonica Arboretum HUN Juniperus sabina Mecseki Citromlé Published 2010 Mesterházy in Conifer Treasury of Hungary 1.0 Breeder/Found 2009 Mesterházy Zsolt in the cemetery of Pécs HUN Introduced 2010 Mesterházy Pinetum HUN Description Bright gold also in winter, grows as usual. A lemonade-goldie sports grafts. Photo documentation Juniperus sabina Mecseki Citromlé Photo author me Chinese rockjuniper Juniperus saltuaria Green King Published 2010 Mesterházy in Conifer Treasury of Hungary 1.0 Breeder/Found Debreczy Zsolt from seed of a plant wild living in China, Collect Nr. 62065 Introduced Arizonica Nursery, Csákvár, HUN Description In youth like a european cypress, slender, but massive, four edged, bright sprouts. Later lateral boughs far draws out and plant formed a broad conical habit. Bark slow will be fibrous. Berries small black balls. Photo documentation Juniperus saltuaria Green King Photo author me in the Arizonica Arboretum HUN Midasian juniper Juniperus seravshanica Tugrul Published 2010 Mesterházy in Conifer Treasury of Hungary 1.0 Breeder/Found 2009 Mesterházy Zsolt in Mesterházy Pinetum HUN Hungarian Agricult. Quality Control Institute 1995 1984 Ms. Simon HUN of Middle-Asean seed Introduced 1988 Mesterházy Pinetum, Erdõtarcsa HUN Description A green semi-spreading upright vase, 3 meters in 25 years. As a soliter needs place at age. Tugrul emir ruled 1015-1040 in Buchara and Samarkand in Midasia, this plant got her name after him. Photo documentation Juniperus seravshanica Tugrul Photo author me Juniperus seravshanica Tugrul Photo author me Juniperus seravshanica Tugrul Photo author me Juniperus scopulorum Erdõtarcsa Published 2005 Mesterházy in Conifer Treasury 2.0 Breeder/Found 2002 Mesterházy Zsolt HUN Hungarian Agricult. Quality Control Institute 2002 1978 Ms. Simon in the Simon Nurs. Keszthely HUN of Placerville, USA seed in HUN Introduced 2011 Tóth Gyula Nurs. Gödöllõ, HUN Description A dense juvenile silvery column, 3 meters in 25 years Photo documentation Juniperus scopulorum Erdõtarcsa Photo author me Juniperus scopulorum Erdõtarcsa Photo author me Juniperus scopulorum Goldstar Published 1995 Mesterházy Zsolt in the Conifer Treasury Breeder/Found 1976 Barabits E. HUN Introduced Original plant in the Barabitss Lõvér Pinetum Description Yellow variegated mutation Photo documentation Juniperus scopulorum Goldstar Photo author me Juniperus scopulorum Green Tower Published 2010 Mesterházy in Conifer Treasury of Hungary 1.0 Breeder/Found 1990 Orlóci László HUN Introduced Fenyõkert Nursery Budapest HUN Description Came out of a seedbed in the Mesterházy Pinetum from international botanical seed exchange from his area in 1990. A closed, dense green column, in 20 years 4 meters high. Photo documentation Juniperus scopulorum Green Tower Photo author me Juniperus scopulorum Marika Published 2005 Mesterházy in the Conifer Treasury 2.0 Breeder/Found 2002 Mesterházy Zsolt HUN Hungarian Agricult. Quality Control Institute 2002 1978 Ms. Simon in the Simon Nurs. Keszthely HUN of Placerville, USA seed in HUN Introduced 2011 Tóth Gyula Nurs. Gödöllõ, HUN Description A dense silvery column, 3 meters in 25 years. Photo documentation Juniperus scopulorum Marika Photo author me Juniperus scopulorum Moonshine Published 1995 Mesterházy in the Conifer Treasury as /Moonglow Tarka/ Breeder/Found 1991 Orlóci László, Fenyõkert Nurs., Budapest HUN Introduced Fenyõkert Nurs., Budapest HUN Description A white variegated dwarf mutation of /Moonglow/ Photo documentation Juniperus scopulorum Moonshine Photo author by courtesy of Lukács Zoltán Juniperus scopulorum MY Published 1995 Mesterházy Zsolt in the Conifer Treasury Breeder/Found Barabits E. HUN Introduced Egzota Nurs. of Mr.Barabits, Sopron HUN Description Hybrid of /Skyrocket/ and /Blue Pyramid/. More narrow and more silver coloured than /Skyrocket/. Strong growing male plant. Brother of Juniperus scopulorum MX, which is selected of seed population, more narrow and more silver coloured than /Skyrocket/. The successful Juniperus scopulorum cultivars of the 80s from the USA are all sick in the european inside continent. We had to change them to healthy clons as of Barabits and other hungarian breeders joined, too. Maybe, this ones should be sent back to the States to make there a bigger choice. Photo documentation Juniperus scopulorum MY Photo author me Juniperus scopulorum Rocky Published 2010 Mesterházy in Conifer Treasury of Hungary 1.0 Breeder/Found Hódi Tóth József HUN Orlóci László from seed of a plant living in wild area Introduced Arizonica Nursery, Csákvár, HUN Description Very like Sierra", foliage blueish-silverly, only needles and faster growing. No insects, very persistent. Photo documentation Juniperus scopulorum Rocky Photo author me in the Arizonica Arboretum HUN Juniperus scopulorum Sierra Published 2010 Mesterházy in Conifer Treasury of Hungary 1.0 Breeder/Found Debreczy Zsolt from seed of living plant in Rocky Mts., USA Collect Nr. 8113 Introduced Arizonica Nursery, Csákvár, HUN Description Very graceful, green-silverly curved sprouts,partially needles and scales. Sprouts like a brush, dense foliage. Cylindrical habit, significant leader stem. Slow growing, no damage of insects. Photo documentation Juniperus scopulorum Sierra Photo author me in the Arizonica Arboretum HUN Juniperus scopulorum Sierra Photo author me in the Arizonica Arboretum HUN Juniperus scopulorum Sivatagi Zöldszellem in the meaning of Desert Green Ghost Published 2010 Mesterházy in Conifer Treasury of Hungary 1.0 Breeder/Found 2009 Mesterházy Zsolt HUN 1978 Ms. Simon in the Simon Nurs. Keszthely HUN of Placerville, USA seed Introduced 1986 Mesterházy Pinetum, Erdõtarcsa HUN 2011 Tóth Gyula Nurs. Gödöllõ, HUN Description A dense green column, 3 meters in 25 years Photo documentation Juniperus scopulorum Sivatagi Zöldszellem Photo author me Juniperus scopulorum Sivatagi Zöldszellem Photo author me Juniperus virginiana Aranyesõ Published 2010 Mesterházy in Conifer Treasury of Hungary 1.0 Breeder/Found 1994 Kiss Marcell, Rédics HUN Introduced 2000 Gergely Nursery, Gödöllõ HUN Description Looks like a conical plant full of golden sports. Found as a seedling. Photo documentation Juniperus virginiana Aranyesõ Photo author by courtesy of Lukács Zoltán Juniperus virginiana Aranyesõ Photo author by courtesy of Lukács Zoltán Juniperus virginiana Barabits Obelisk Published 1995 Mesterházy Zsolt in the Conifer Treasury Breeder/Found 1983 Barabits E. HUN Introduced Egzota Nurs. of Mr.Barabits, Sopron HUN Description Columnar, blue-greyish female clone. Later on becomes more bushy and broad. Photo documentation Juniperus virginiana Barabits Obelisk Photo author me Juniperus virginiana Barabits Obelisk Photo author me Juniperus virginiana Blueberry Published 2010 Mesterházy in Conifer Treasury of Hungary 1.0 Breeder/Found 2003 Hódi Tóth József from sport of a plant in a public park, Budakeszi HUN Introduced Arizonica Nursery, Csákvár, HUN Description Fast growing, regular, conical habit, massive trunk, bark frayed broad, red-gray bands. Bright green, thin sprouts, masses of bloomy, blueish berries. Photo documentation Juniperus virginiana Blueberry Photo author me in the Arizonica Arboretum HUN Zsolt