I think you will find that there is more feedback on the Polaris window.

Edit...I wrote "Polaris" and I mean to write Sunrise. Not sure what I was doing yesterday AM.

Sorry for the confusion.

I’d rule out Polar Seal since they use a very outdated pocket sill on there double-hungs and make absurd claim that foam does nothing for thermal value. Sunrise wins easily here unless it is there bottom line. They are still going by the Sunrise name?

Interesting take on polar seal. yes sunrise is still offered in the 4000 under the mi brand

Not sure the idea of a pocket sill being outdated is that "interesting". Todd is right. There is zero benefit to a pocket sill when it comes to be used on a DH these days.

All there are is drawbacks.

Vinyl windows for new construction? That seems an odd choice. There are maintenance free better choices out there. Sunrise appears to have been purchased by Milgard.

https://www.milgard.com/news/mi-windows-and-doors-acquires-sunrise-windows-doors#:~:text=MI%20Windows%20and%20Doors%2C%20a,window%20manufacturer%20Sunrise%20Windows%20%26%20Doors.

Have you looked at WeatherShield Windows?

https://weathershield.com/

I'd select Weathersheld over Anderson or Pella, and I'd not be willing to go back to any wood windows because of maintenance.

1. Don't take window advice from designers unless it is only about appearance. Then again, I suppose that their gross lack of knowledge on the subject and subsequent god-awful recommendations keep us window companies going strong. I'll see your customers in about 10 years, thanks Bev. I'll add you to my Xmas card list.

2. Listen to the other pros about the pocket sill. Bad design. Only exists for cost savings as they typically punch a couple weep hols and add a cap to a piece of the head and side jamb extrusion. Same extrusion on all 4 sides = big cost savings for them, bad window for you.

3. Sunrise - or whatever they call it these days- is a nice window. Definitely the better option here.

STFU, fridge2020 I didn't take a personal swipe at you or whatever you peddle, soup is it? You feel better now taking a swipe at me and the designers on this forum?

I also would never take window advice from beverly the so called ” designer” that knows absolutely nothing about windows. Her recommendations are ridiculous.

WOW when did all of you become the be all and end all of window savvy. I have been a designer for 50 yrs and have done many exterior designs and researched windows many times for clients . I am pretty sure Beverly has too. I try to find good quality at a price point clients can handle and every job is unique so if you can't offer actual advice don't bother bad mouthing someone you know nothing about.

I think her comments were a bit confusing. Why would a vinyl window be odd for new construction when it is the most widely used in new and old construction today?

why reccomend Weathershield and then state you would not go back to a wood window?

Sunrise, Milgard, Simonton and many ither brands are owned by tge same holding company.

Recommendations are based on experience. Mine is from the Chicago area, and until recently, windows for new custom construction were aluminum clad for maintenance and longevity. Vinyl windows might be used in tract home construction because of price point, but mostly they were used as replacement windows in my area. WeatherShield makes all wood, aluminum clad, and all aluminum windows.

If I can have a free budget to work with I prefer a black metal framed window but not always in the budget. I replaced 30 windows in my own home in Calgary with awesome vinyl windows that replaced aluminum sliders the windows were tilt out for cleaning they are now 23 yrs old and still in good shape we did not go the most expensive windows and still got good value . I think we all have choices we make to suit the stuation .

" Vinyl windows might be used in tract home construction because of price point, "

Quality vinyl is not used on Tract Homes and certainly not a purely a price point. Higher end vinyl is without a doubt a quality product and performance wise will blow away anything aluminum, aluminum clad or wood. Weathershield will never be considered a quality product or a quality company by any one who knows windows and doors quite honestly. They also do not make nor ever did make an all aluminum window that I am aware of.

PS: And Weathershield did make a vinyl product (Visions 2000) that was one of the worst vinyl windows known to man.

There Vue line is an all aluminum window.

In my area we have a lot of old bungalows that were torn down and in their place built 3-story condo buildings of the cheapest construction and to squeeze into that small area just under the wire of how big the building can be in that zone. Blight on the otherwise charming streets. They go up breathtakingly fast too. And each and every one uses WeatherShield windows. I would never consider WeatherShield to be the choice for quality new construction.

I like wood windows but i dont like the warranty on the wood or the price. ice contacted a marvin dealer about their all fiberglass and fiberclass clad wood look. im waiting to see how their estimate comes back. the house i grew up in had anderson wood windows they were pretty awful at around 20 years old they were replaced with vinyl 20 years ago or more and they still seem like new and performed better. polar seal is a michigan company that has pretty solid reviews and they are writing me a quote, but this websote has strongly recommended sunrise as a premium vinyl window. it is also available at tge lumberyard my builder prefers. thats my whole story. just wondered if there would be some feedback on tge windows and ive received some thoughtful comments , so thank you.

No soup for you Bev.

If you are going to make recommendations from the status of a "professional", then stick to those things that you do as a professional. I'm not taking a "swipe" at you or any other designers, I'm sure that you all are good at what you do-- design. What I take issue with is the need for some to comment on subjects that they are clearly uninformed on to further their dream to be an "influencer". When you make moronic statements like,

" Vinyl windows for new construction? That seems an odd choice. There are maintenance free better choices out there. Sunrise appears to have been purchased by Milgard."...you may get called out.

There's literally nothing correct in that statement, and everything to suggest that you know nothing about windows.

-Vinyl windows are EXTRAORDINARILY popular for new construction. Some bad, some good.

-You would be hard pressed to find a better maintenance free option than some of the best vinyl options. certainly nothing from Weathershield.

-Sunrise was recently sold, but not to Milgard (they are under the same umbrella so I suppose partial credit is due)

- Weathershield makes windows in more material options than you've stated.

-Your post didn't answer the question of the OP in any way.

I won't comment on the best type of doiley to use on the window valance or on whether someone should paint their pergola white or off-white. You may consider refraining from offering "professional" advice on what is a quality window in a similar way.

Good advice from the window pros Kurtis. The Sunrise is a nice window, and if you are looking at that in a new construction application, kudos to you. You are far ahead of the game. Most folks building a new home are more concerned with the style of their cabinet hardware or the backsplash than the quality of windows, hence the term "builder grade". You'll be happy with that window for a long time.