Thank you Henry and Jim for re-posting the link. Savannah rose is gorgeous, and I enjoy reading that link.

Even tho Edmunds carrys PCdM (and they say anything they carry should grow in my garden) I had a hard time nailing down a real hardiness zone, but I think its z6 at best. So not here! However I continued reading some more on the site and found David Austins 'Lark Ascending' was a 2016 Biltmore winner. That lead to reading Zimmermans article on how they test at the Biltmore, but it was from 2009. Then I searched Lark Ascending on this forum and apparently not many either read about it or commented on it after it was selected. But that lead to a link to the U of GA David Austin trials which I found very interesting! I could only get the 2014 trial results because Norton said it was a nonsafe site and they put the file into a protected file so I could read it. There are other trials for Starr and Conard Pyle and a 2016 David Austin trial but I could not get to them. I need to start evaluating my roses by their criteria once a month and I might know more about my garden than I think I do!

HalloBlondie, you are so right about how different a rose can look in different gardens. Beverly never caught my eye, either, until this thread. I had only seen pics of her with the high centered form that many rose gardeners love, but I prefer the OGR form, which Beverly has, after all, when she's fully open. But, I have to keep reminding myself that Kristine is in z8, so Beverly might be very different here. Northland says she was a Biltmore International Rose Trials winner. Voted best HT and most fragrant in '13. Lilyfinch, that is such a pretty photo just above. Will Beverly be part of your new CA garden?

Kate, I do have that one. 2019 was its first year for me. I have it in a pot. It seems very vigorous and disease resistant and produced quite a few blooms. I’ve been impressed so far, although I was a little disappointed with the blooms, I expect them to improve as the bush matures. It has a nice fragrance.