Don't have any pictures of the colors you seek, but disagree that grey and oak can't work together -- depends on the finish of the white oak -- I have cerused, rift sawn white oak cabinets and greys (in counter top and backsplash) and it all looks great together.

@rmsaustin oh sorry, did not mean to imply gray and oak do not work together..in fact that is what we are doing too. I just edited the title. Since you have oak and rift I would love to see any pix!

We bought a house with Agreeable Gray throughout on the walls. The color changes throughout the day from beige, to gray, to green depending on the light. So take that into account.

In considering these three colors, they are VERY close in many ways. They are all solidly in the yellow hue family, and are not very saturated, meaning they are all neutral grays.

The biggest difference between them is that Agreeable Gray is the lightest, Repose Gray is in the middle, and Mindful Gray the darkest of the three. This is not to say that it's very dark, but darkest when compared to the other two.

You probably wouldn't go wrong with any of them, but in choosing the one you like best, get large samples and hang them on the walls (all walls) and view them during the day and night, with natural and artificial light.

Keep in mind that lighting can change colors, especially neutrals, and give off a color that you may or may not like. The only way to definitively choose is to view the colors in your room with your light.

Good luck!

Also, there are thousands of colors out there from so many different manufacturers, there's no need to lighten or darken a color. In doing so, this could result in a color that is very different from the original one. Adding white or black can change other factors besides just lightening or darkening the original.

Just another point when using gray--make sure that you add other colors in small doses so the room isn't just a sea of gray. I see so many rooms here in the Design Dilemmas that are ALL GRAY--paint, cabinets, furniture, rugs, curtains, etc. etc. Very boring and one-note. You can add texture, colors, plants, etc. to bring life to the room.

dont choose matte paint because you think it will tilt the color lighter. get semi gloss for your cabinets in the exact color you want. if anything at least some sheen will reflect some light and give a bit of life to the cabinet appearance. You want the hard wear of a more durable finish. I just did 3 doors....semi gloss...dont regret it for a minute....they are heavily used areas and if I had jewelry on my fingers or hands/ holding things that have edges/ or a brush of a fingernail there is no worry. RE: "having cabinets made" is this group/team able to help you at all w paint sampling/paint selection ? they should be able to provide sample surface of a couple of your choices...then take them to your site to observe over day/nite changes. Gray especially w undertones: you want to see in your setting

This looks like a beautiful combination, though I think the paint color is BM Revere Pewter.

Gray is over. There are literally hundreds of offwhite colirs that would look beautiful with white oak. I agree with all the points Diana B made above. So called 25% approaches never work. I would also use a “satin” finish. New paint formulas are very durable. Of course, baked on factory finishes are the best.

Have you selected the other colors that will be in the room? Flooring, countertop, backsplash? What other colors are in the adjacent rooms.

Have you ever gone shopping and found that perfect pair of shorts that you know is going to work with the new shirt you bought a few weeks ago, only to bring it home and set them next to each other and they are just off. One is peach and the other more salmon, one is whiter than the other, one is more gray and the other more greige.

It isn't about "the color", getting the right neutral is all about the color combinations that you are creating.

Case and point - I just helped my niece pick a neutral wall color for her new home. She told me "I love the colors you picked for my mom's house. Can't we just use the same colors here?"

Her mom has large rooms, walls of windows, light flooring and light furniture. Her home is mostly fall colors, greige and greens with touches of golds and orange reds. (Tudor home, Queen Ann and industrial furnishings).

My niece's home is a townhome with windows in the front and back of the narrow home. (her house is about the same width as my sister's living room). She has dark cherry furniture and dark wood floors. Her colors are rich red browns and golds and touches of red. (Asian style)

I brought out the sample of her mom's main neutral (Devine Moss) LRV=36.

She couldn't believe it was the same color. It looked like dark green mud.

The color didn't change, but the surroundings were completely different.

Whatever you choose, be mindful of the lightbulbs you use in the room. I chose a soft gray for a bathroom, but the walls looked khaki with the soft white bulbs. We switched them to daylight tone bulbs, and the gray was the way it looked in the paint store.

@fillmoe thanks..yes, we use daylight bulbs in the kitchen..love the bright white light!

@Jennifer Hogan thanks..definitely mindful of the lighting, etc. so we don’t make a mistake:)

@ffpalms the pic you posted is the look we are after in terms of color! thanks.,.alwasy great to see some finished projects. i also have Revere at home, but it seems to go beige/green in our house. really appreciate you sending that pic along…very helpful!

@herbflavorI have samples of the 3 grays being made for me. hopefully that will make it very clear what works best.

@Diana Bier Interiors, LLCthank you so much for the info! very helpful. I have samples of the 3 being made so we can see in the house. we have dark engineered hardwood with gray undertones and neutral (linen color) furniture in the adjoining room. All of the 3 greys I mentioned go nicely with the furniture. I just ordered a Kohler Whitehaven cast iron sink in ice grey. any chane you would know or can direct to where I might find paint colors that coordinate with ice grey? thank you again!

@susanrhill34 I'm sorry I can't help you with the Kohler ice grey color. It's not a color that I have access to from the paint manufacturers.

The best way to start is to get a fandeck and see what looks good with the sink. Then order large samples to get a better idea.

To be clear; the cabinets are made of white oak? You do know that white oak is brown tone, as opposed to red oak which is pink/red. A good painter could make, with the right stains, both look identical. (you are paying more for white oak),

As for painting them, if you do a color, other than white (even though I love the navy's and charcoals and greens) in a few years, those colors may not be on trend. On trend doesn't matter to me at all, but it could matter if you want to put the house on the market.

Just in case you decide to do white, consider B.M. OC-151, appropriately named "White". A cabinet maker told me that it is the default white used on high end cabinets.

@elcieg thanks for the info. yes, it is white oak and very similar to the pic posted above by ffpalms...both the oak and the grey cabinets. funny about the B.M. OC-151. I painted the front of house in that color and have loved it since it was done about 8 years ago:) Not one regret on that paint! In case you weren’t awar, that paint is straight out of the can, no color added. I found it after trying a ridiculous number of whites in the house until the B.M. paint store suggested 151 as a last resort. It does not seem to change hues/tones in various lights. I’m not really concerned about resale. I did consider if grey was out..but the versions I am looking at are all fairly neutral and not particularly cool, so I feel they will have good staying power. thanks again for your input!

@Diana Bier Interiors, LLCthanks! I did pick up larger samples of the 3 at SW and were quite helpful. The cabinet company is preparing samples of all 3. I was hoping to see a few pix of kitchens with the 3 different greys to get an idea of how light/dark, etc they would look…but your comments about rating the 3 from lightest to darkest is also helpful. I am trying to not end up very cool and defintely not very warm cabinets. thank you again

Getting the "strike-offs" of the cabinets in the 3 colors is the best way to really see the colors. I'm amazed that they will give you all 3! Much as you may want to, seeing a photo on a computer monitor is not truly representative of what your kitchen will look like. View the samples, select the one you like best, and I'm sure it will work out for the best. Unless you're slavishly copying someone else's space, all decorating decisions in the end require a leap of faith!

@susanrhill34 Yes, OC-151 does come out of the can. It also has an alias, PM 2. I "discovered" it when I was choosing cabinets for a client, and, was told all about how is is a default white.

Agree, when you look at other whites, it can be challenging, what with undertones and the orientation of the room/natural light. Thanks for sharing. It the exterior white on my home, too.

@Diana Bier Interiors, LLC thank for your input...and definitely agree at some point I have to take a leap of faith! I assume the cabinet company is doing smaller painted samples of the 3 colors vs whole doors..but should be enough to see how they look with the rest of the kitchen samples. btw, noticed in your profile that your business is in RVC. I actually grew up the Greystone area of RVC:). Small world! would love to hear how the old stomping ground is doing.

@susanrhill34, hope you've made your decision and that you love your new kitchen!

Yes, I am in RVC in the northern section (Old Canterbury) and have been for 40 years (gulp!). The village is still a great place to raise a family and the residential areas are still lovely--well-maintained homes and the charm of an area that was developed in the early 20th century. Still lots of Tudors and Colonials, but alas many of the older homes have been razed and replaced with new construction. Some good, some not so good.

Lots of changes in the commercial district, but the old diehards like Front Street Bakery is still going strong! The school system is still good, but not as highly rated as in the past. Not sure why that is, and of course the property taxes keep going up! My kids went to St. Agnes, Chaminade and Sacred Heart Academy, so I don't have much inside knowledge of the schools.

All the small villages and towns on LI were in an uproar recently after the new Governor (Hochul) wanted to pass a law requiring high-density housing, which would erode the small-town feel and stress the infrastructure of the suburbs. Thankfully, it was not passed, so we're okay for now.

I'm not sure how much longer we'll stay, since our kids all live out of town, and it's getting to be more and more expensive to live here on LI. But time will tell.

@Diana Bier Interiors, LLC thanks for the update on RVC! so interesting to read and hear about the town. We lived on Fenway in the Greystone area. my siblings and I were so upset to see on Google Maps that the house been completed redone and made into a 2 story, striped the old Cape Cod look from the front etc. My siblings got to walk thru while under construction and said only the stair rail was the same..and that likely was not staying . so many great memories growing up on Fenway.

I use to babysit in the area you live..I remember the tudors particularly when driving thru the neighborhood:) Front Street bakery was not there when I grew up. We had George’s and Jay Dee bakery in town and also Buttercrest in Baldwin on Grand Ave. I cannot possible tell you how much I miss those bakeries!! (I’m in NC now..haha..far cry from NY bakeries and delis..pretty much a constant complaint since I moved out of NY many many years ago!)

sad to hear about the school system..my first and dearest friend in life lived one house over on Fenway and was married at St Agnes. I was in the wedding party..more wonderful memories.

the high density housing sounded a bit ambitious..while I am in favor of offering this, it would seem it needs to be done NOT at the expense of losing the charm of the small towns that populate the Island. I really miss LI and NY in general, but have a son in Westchester and sister and other family still on the Island.

thanks for the trip down memory lane!! loved every bit of it!

You're welcome @susanrhill34!

Our daughter was married at St. Agnes in 2018, and yes it is a lovely memory. The church is so majestic. We had the reception at the Royalton in Roslyn Heights--a historic Colonial home with lots of charm.

Lots of the homes here are being renovated and all the charm is gone. Every wall is taken down, and everything is gray, gray, gray. It's so disheartening to see these almost a century old homes being demolished. We've done a lot of renovations to our 1924 Colonial revival, but always tried to keep it period-appropriate. And I do love gray as a neutral backdrop, but I always like to add some real color to all my rooms.

Well it looks to be a beautiful Memorial Day weekend here on LI, and I hope you are having nice weather down in NC. Enjoy!

@Diana Bier Interiors, LLC glad you are getting a great wekend..rain and thunderstorms here:( I agree, trying to keep the flavor of the home is important. I also love gray or white neutral backdrop, but love to have color in the art and accessories. we are in the throws of a kitchen remodel, house is just 11 years old and went with a mix of white oak and repose gray cabinets for a neutral backdrop and white walls. for me I have seen so many white kitchens, by the time I picked out colors for the cabinets had seen too many! it’s coming along well..more modern flare with flat panel doors and a bit of industrial edge with pulls, etc. can’t take the NY out of me..if I had my druthers I would be living in NYC loft:)

so much fun to connect with you! not sure if there is away to msg you or email outside of house, but would love to hear about your continued journey and where you land. give my regards to RVC!!

@elcieg wow..that is beautiful and the quintissential Cape Cod look I have always envisioned! never made it there..went to college in upstate NY and headed there one weekend, but the car broke down in Albany and never made it to Cape Cod! always wanted to go:) I will be passing along the link to my son, who lives in Tarrytown. they love this type of place and fairly easy trip for them too thanks for sharing! enjoying these side stories from you and @Diana Bier Interiors, LLC :)

Omg @elcieg I had drinks at the Chatham Bars Inn way back in the 1990s on a trip with my son's choir group. So beautiful--I love Cape Cod, Nantucket and Martha's Vineyard!

@susanrhill34 you can contact me at dianabinteriors@aol.com

@Diana Bier Interiors, LLC, my dad grew up on the Cape and my grandparents were alive throughout my high school years. The Cape was so quiet then and my summers here, as a child, were magical.

Found this photo: it could be you!

Where was the venue for the choir group?

How lucky you were @elcieg to have had such a wonderful childhood on the Cape!

Regarding the choir trip, they sang concerts at several Catholic churches on the island, I'm sorry I can't remember the names! We started out at St. Ignatius Church at Boston College, and then to the Cape for about 5 more days. Funny that I can remember where we had drinks but not the names of the churches ;)

@Diana Bier Interiors, LLC, my husband and I went to B.C. so, we have spent lots of time in the church. St Ignatius Church is a beautiful structure.

If you were at Chatham Bars, Holy Redeemer in Chatham or Joan of Arc in Orleans may have been on the tour.

Did you son do anything with his talented voice?

YES, those names do ring a bell! Beautiful churches, and such a great memory of beautiful music.

Haha, what does anyone do with a talented voice? Our son sang all through high school, starred as Amahl in "Amahl and the Night Visitors" and then majored in economics and accounting in college (that other Massachusetts Catholic college down the road, Holy Cross!) He now lives in Virginia with his family and works in finance, a much more lucrative occupation than being a singer.

Our daughter also pursued a career in performing, was a triple threat all through college, and beat the boards in NYC for two years before going into the entertainment field through the side door. She worked for Disney for 8 years in marketing and is now at Qdoba also in marketing.

Making a living by singing, dancing or acting is so difficult--so many wannabees and so few opportunities. Living from one role to another, never knowing where (or if) your next job is coming from. The ones who make it are either REALLY lucky, or have serious connections. Have you ever noticed how many actors are sons/daughters/other relatives of famous people? It's nepotism at its finest (eye roll).

Holy Cross. I spent many a Saturday in Worcester watching B.C. play H.C. in football. My husband played for B.C. What a rivalry...exciting to watch the games. 12/62: EAGLES SET BACK HOLY CROSS, 48-12 ...not to rub it in. :>}

@susanrhill34, NC...my dearest friend moved to NC a couple of years ago to be near her children and grandchildren. She chose Brevard...beautiful spot. Her girls are in Charlotte and Asheville.

As for your son coming to the Cape, he should look into Wequasset in Harwich. CBI is just a few miles down the road.

https://wequassett.com/?y_source=1_Mzg1NTI3NzItNzE1LWxvY2F0aW9uLndlYnNpdGU%3D

@elcieg I will pass along the suggestion to my son. thanks! summers on the cape sound like a dream! I have great memories from summers on LI beaches too…but probably not quite as packed as July4th at Jones Beach ! haha

We live in Charlotte and as does my daugher. Do you know what side of town your friend’s daughter lives on? thought we would be here for 3 years and now over 30!

@Diana Bier Interiors, LLC interesting about the entertainment industry..but not surprising. And somewhat sad too. both our kids are in the finance arena as well. We had a very notable graduate/classmate in my high school class…Bob Igar. no doubt you are familiar with his name with your daughter having worked at Disney. so interesting about how lives overlap. thanks for your email..I will send you one so you have mine..

I looked up our Fenway house on Google maps..turned our home into a 2 story blue house:( really sad even with renos that the style of the house does not get maintained.

and @elcieg if you would like to join in, just provide your email. been a fun chain talking with both of you! but I have to say, I have had to write this houzz posting now 5 times, as it keeps disappearing..ugh email should be simpler and more dependable!

@elcieg Haha, I remember being at the HC/BC game in 1984 where a helicopter swooped in at the end of the game to take Doug Flutie to the Heisman Awards. Good times. When did your husband play for BC? My husband and his father both played tennis at HC so we have been a HC family forever. Both our kids went there as well. Everyone’s so happy that the football program has taken a good turn after so many bad years. They’re all looking forward to the HC/BC game in the fall.

@Diana Bier Interiors, LLC 1963 from B C, then onto the Patriots for 8 years. We are older than you, but we share a lot of the same memories.

@susanrhill34, let you know what part of Charlotte. Daughter is a teacher at Charlotte Latin. I think.

This is an interesting conversation! I grew up in NYC, spending time on LI, and went to school at Tufts. Luckily, I dated someone whose family owned an historic house in Nantucket. We got to go there in the winter when it wasn’t rented out and that was an amazing time to go. I still love Boston and the entire area.

My husband and I moved away from the $$$ of NY to enjoy our horse farm in TN. The cost of living is a main reason to leave the northern states, hence the huge influx of people to NC as well.

Tufts...I know that area so well. Upton St off College Ave is where my husband's best friend grew up. They met in high school, Matignon, North Cambridge on Mass Ave. I went to Lesley after B C, so that North Cambridge, Davis Square, Harvard Sq is like a second home to me. After our girls went off to college, we bought a condo in Harvard Sq. We were there for about 9 years and then retired to Cape Cod.

Was the Jumbo Lounge in Teele Square still there?

My primary doctor graduated from Tufts Med School. She is terrific.

B.M. is connected with Kohler. Any chance this is the paint color for Ice Gray?

Benjamin Moore™ OR-391

Where to begin!!

@elcieg not sure about the BM color you posted, but looks quite similar to Repose gray. Appreciate the info. we did end up going with repose and white oak cabinets. Kitchen is in progress..Seems never ending with all the issues and associated domino effect to get it finished!

also of note, is our kids went to Charlotte Latin:) Graduated a while ago. how long has your friend’s daughter been teaching there? She likely lives close to the school, as we do as well. small small world! never seizes to amaze me. we also spent about 19 months in Boston several years back And lived on Boylston. A very close friend that I grew up with went to Lesley. She would have graduated in ’73.

@RedRyder have to say..NYC to TN is quite a move!! but sounds like you found what you love if you have a horse farm. NC is defintely full of transplants now from the northeast. It used to be to the shore..but even in Charlotte there are quite a lot of people from the NE.

There is actually a large group from Buffalo…and of course the city/island.

@Diana Bier Interiors, LLC thought I would share where we are with the kitchen.

We are waiting for the backspalsh, which is marble, rest of doors, plumbing (Matte white faucet), flush install Wolf induction cooktop, pulls on drawers, no shelves yet, and electric! other than that we are good to go 🤣 So far very happy with the look..the white oak is definitely lighter and less yellow looking than it appears in the pic and our floors are more neutral/ grayer. Tones work better in person. Walls are BM White Heron. Marble splash will stop 9” under hood with a 3” shelf to cap it off. We installed Thermador wall ovens and microwave drawer..which have gray glass, turned out really well with the repose. The fridge is Smasung bespoke/changeable glass panels and will likely put gray glass on the lower doors. (bit of a risk w/ Samsung..not the best ratings, but their french doors score better..and I love the look instead of stainless. 🤞so bought the extended warranty:)

Floors are not ideal, but ultimately decided to leave as is since it is the entire first floor.

I have a piece of art to go on the wall to the right of the doorway or a market on the street corner of somewhere about 62nd and 2nd..of the typical flowers on wrapping the corner of the market:) the other art in the kitchen is askateboard with the Statue of Liberty’s arm from a skateboard shop in the village..and a piece of the store front of Barney Greengrass and a bride out in the Hamptons. yup..I miss NY!

I think your floors are a good, neutral color. The appliances are rather spectacular - didn’t know you could change out glass panels on the fridge.

The marble slabs are beautiful. Are those the countertop/backsplash?

We actually had a horse farm, 40 miles outside of NYC, so the move to Tennessee wasn’t that huge a leap. We wanted more land and would never have been able to afford what we have here - 50 gorgeous acres.

@RedRyder thanks. the marble is for the backsplash..we had marble counters we took out..loved them, but chipping, etching etc so went with quartz already installed in the pic. it’s a white concrete type look. only 2cm, so a bit more european or CA type look than the usual you see around here. the marble should end up being being like a piece of art on the walls we can enjoy. We are both very fascinated with what the earth produces..so organic but so unique in each piece. always feel like I am in a museum when we have looked at slabbed and totally amazed! The fridge has 4 removable panels that can be replaced with different glass and stainless colors. It actually came with a rebate for 4 free additional panels and you can actually send in a pic or artwork and they can print on the panels. Pretty cool..not sure I will ever get to that, but love the idea.

your 50 arcres sound like a dream!! Having grown on LI I cannot even imagine how living on a piece of property like that would be. Must be soooo beautiful to wake up to each morning:)

@RedRyder, TN...where, I have a dear friend I met on houzz 10 years ago. She and her husband have come to the Cape twice to visit. She lives in Franklin. Last weekend my daughter and her gang went to Nashville where my TN friend's grandson was playing.

Another dear friend on the Cape had a horse farm in Litchfield...Stone Horse. Her daughter is quite the horsewoman. Shown her horse and other horses at the farm. She built up quite a nice resume. Friend sold it when they moved here permanently and built quite a stunning house. Right now Neflix is using it to film The Perfect Couple, starring Nicole Kidman. Elin Hildebrand novel. The novel is set on Nantucket, but there was no way they could get the tons of equipment over there, so here they are. I got the opportunity to work with the set director and my friend for a few hours and I just got a check from Neflix, listing me as a consultant!!!! I would have paid them to let me in to see all the sets.

@susanrhill34, this convo is giving me chills. Katy lives in the Raintree section of S Charlotte. Last name is Hughey. I think she has been teaching there about 8 years. Her older son is now at Olde Providence Elementary finishing up 5th grade and her younger son is still at Latin.

Your Lesley pal is too young for me...7 years too young. Does she still teach? I got the best education there.

I like the look of your kitchen and, at least from the photo, like the floors.

@elcieg wow..that sounds like it was so much fun to be part of the Netflix shoot! I have oftened wondered how they identify houses to use in productions. Nice to get paid for it too! what type of consulting did you do for them? and when does the film come out?

we live right next to South Chalrotte Middle School..it is across the street to the edge of Raintree. We drive thru Raintree all the time and was also how we drove to Latin. My kids graduated over 20 years ago now, hard to believe, but defintely would not have crossed paths with your friend’s daughter at least in school. But I will run her name past them..our daughter lives in town so clearly you never know how paths cross!

My Lesley friend taught many years, but long since retired and moved to Florida. she was quite active on the board of trustees for Brigham and still is. The way this conversation has gone, would not be surprised if your paths crossed:)

@susanrhill34 - yeah, we get that comment from our NY/NJ/CT friends about having an unimaginable 50 acres. And it IS wonderful to wake up to. I see forever out my office window because there is an 800 acre farm across from us - he is a food farmer. At night he has combines working in the dark. It’s interesting to see.

Getting to be a consultant on a set sounds amazing. And getting a check! Even better.

@susanrhill34 your kitchen is gorgeous! Love all your choices and especially that marble. Thanks for sharing your photos. Just wondering about the ovens with the side opening. My son is planning a kitchen renovation and expressed interest in that type of oven.

Wow @RedRyder 50 acres!!!! And a view of 800 acres! Can't imagine it--it must be wonderful.

Hope everyone is enjoying the Memorial Day weekend.

@Diana Bier Interiors, LLCthanks! really happy with it so far..just wish it would get finished!!

Love the ovens..have only used once so far to heat something up, but they really are a game changer. So much easlier to get to hot dishes. Ours are Thermador. I’m impressed with the functionality and quality…also Wifi, but there are many functions not in a usual oven. Auto conversions from regular bake to various types of convection baking etc.

Originally we ordered the Bosch side swing ovens, but I read too much about various issues (plus found out at the end that my duaghers is Bosch and she confirmed the issues I saw online) so we upgraded to the Thermador. it is a significant increase, but I think in the end it was worth the money. each oven has 2 telescoping racks (full extension) that make it incredibly easy to get to the pots. Also has a rotiessere..probably will use once and maybe not again haha. There is also miele version if you want to spend even more. I happen to be pretty short and also have some mobility issues so the side swing is really great not trying to reach over the door into a hot oven. If your son looks at Bosch, be sure he does his research first. many swear by Bosch, but defintiely worth investigating.

A good Thermador is worth it - you won’t regret upgrading. If you cook a lot, the oven and cooktop you work on make a big difference.

Consider this simple jealousy…. 😊. I have a JennAir, which is good but would love a Thermador.

Thank you both for your comments on the Thermador ovens.

@RedRyder we had all Jennair appliances and switched to Thermador for the double wall and microwave ovens. I did buy another Jennair dishwasher since we have a very open space and our past one was very quiet..the newer ones are rated as the most quiet on the market, so stayed with that. Plus love the new third rack you can put glasses and small bowls in to save bending over vs the ususaal cutlery rack which Is rarely used. I spent tons to time researching appliances and various aspects. honestly I have not been cooking alot, but plan to once I have a working kitchen..and also baking. Pretty excited to start using the kitchen once it is done!