How to support 30" Cafe wall oven/mw combo in Ikea cabinet
Hi!
We're trying to figure out the best support method for a 30" m/w & oven combo unit. Our cabinet is an Ikea 90" oven cabinet. Ikea makes a supporting ventilated shelf, but it's weight limit is 330lbs. This wall oven requires 400lb of support.
Our configuration is two 10" drawers at the bottom, and 20" cabinet doors on top with a 5" or so spacer between the doors and the top of the microwave (would like to use this to store cutting boards). We have a couple inches of space to spare above the drawers and I also don't mind stealing a few inches of storage space from the top of the drawer directly beneath the oven. (the shelf is removable)
Is a 2x4 on either side with a sheet of plywood on top sufficient for 400lbs? Is there a better configuration we should consider?
Thanks in advanced for any insight.
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Hadeal Ali
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last yearlast modified: last yearWell, the installation guy came today to check our cabinet. There was an obvious miscommunication. We thought the purpose of his visit was to help us figure out what to do to prepare the opening. But he said it was our job to figure that out!
Finally relented and gave us a few pointers and this is what we learned:
1. We just need to use the IKEA special shelf (Ultrusta 704.873.47) that supports 330 pounds (not 400). He was convinced about this and he's installed hundreds of these units. He pointed out that rIght on the combo unit box it says that that unit weighs "200 to 300 pounds". And, additional support for the unit comes from the screws that will connect the unit to the sides of the cabinet. So the shelf doesn't really have to hold all the weight.
So for these reasons he says we just need the Ultrusta shelf (just one of them). And since he does not think we need to support 400 pounds, he does not advise adding 2 X 4 support or doubling up on the shelf.
BTW, when you put the shelf in as IKEA directs in the pamphlet that comes with the shelf, the metal brackets that face up narrow the opening and it won't be wide enough for the combo unit! So we turned the brackets upside down so that the metal that takes up room is below the shelf rather than above it. (Need a photo of this? No problem, I can probalby take that tomorrow.)
Also, I have a question about this shelf. It says it's ventilated. But I don't see where the vent is. Do you? And the installer didn't feel we needed a ventilated shelf. So all good if it's not ventilated.
2. The unit is a bit deeper than the cabinet. So in back of the opening for the combo unit we are going to have to cut out the cabinet back.
3. He said it's best for the cut out to be 42 1/4 which is the max dimension given in the diagram below.
4. He also emphasized that we have to allow for 1 inch on the top and 1 inch on the bottom of the cut out dimension to give enough space for the lip on the top and bottom of the combo oven -- so the lip projects over these 1 inch spaces. I am not sure if we have to also put some filler there so that the lip doesn't just sit over empty space but rather sits up against some hard surface like a piece of a panel or something. I really don't know. Hopefully tomorrow we'll work on this and then I'll know more and can tell you more.
Here's what the intstaller person was referring to when he talked about the 1 inch spaces:
Look at A and C in diagram on left and notice that the line for the cut out ends before A and C begin. Then look at the info I circled on the right where they say what A and C equal.
5. Above this combo unit we'll have room for a 30 inch cabinet and then we'll have to add filler to close the gap between the cabinet above and the combo unit. (This is just how we are doing it because I prefer for the microwave/convection oven which open out to be low enough that I won't burn my elbows when I use it to bake rather than to microwave.)
6. And very important: Junction box cannot be behind the unit. He recommened putting it above in the cabinet. And in my case, this means above the filler and then in the cabinet. I just hope we have enough wire to do that...or the electricians will have to figure this one out...And now I see that the directions GE gives says to put the junction box 9 1/2 inches max, on the right side of the unit only. Hmmm... we'll have to figure this out.
Please let me know how it's going for you! And if you disagree with anything I've written, please say so. I may have misunderstood something...and together we can get this right. It's not rocket science :)
Well, this is what we learned. And next Wed they come to install -- but before then we have to make the space ready so they can just plop it in, turn it on and make sure it works.wdccruise
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