There's nothing special about these that I can see. Lots of manufacturers make them (e.g., Halo HLBSL4). CRI is acceptable at 80 but others are 90+. I would choose the Razor-R CCT over the Razor CCT because its lens is recessed a bit but I prefer -- and installed in my living room -- a 4" housing + PAR20 LED bulb + trim so the lens is fully recessed and not visible unless one is under the fixture. Alternative to Razor-R CCT (for example): Halo LT4.

The buzzing will depend on the dimmer used. I've had the best luck with Lutron LED+ dimmers which are very compatible.

Wow. Very informative.

Thank you!

Ours were from ELCO Lighting. We used The Cedar system. Not adjustable color temp, but you can order in the one you prefer. We used 3500K. High Lumens available. It was also compatible with some of the Crestron Automation we used.

https://elcolighting.com/recessed-residential

In my living room, I used 4" Juno 17 Haze Reflector, White Trim which are also available in several other finishes (scroll down the page for a list). I also like the Juno 17SQ square trim which is also available in several finishes. PAR20 bulbs.

I used these Nicor DRD211203KWH Round 3000K Canless lights in a hallway because I wanted tiny ones there and thought they looked cool. You could go even smaller: 1".

This is all very helpful. I think maybe we would want a housing that is separate from the bulb so the two aren't integrated.

wdccruise You make a great point about wanting them recessed. Are the led integrated recessed lights something that is frequently done on higher end builds or do most people opt for separate housing and lights?

Of course there are high-end lighting products some of which are even "trimless", embedded right into the ceiling drywall (example: Jesco) to make them as inconspicuous as possible.

NDR is a Canadian company started in 2009. That doesn't mean they put out a bad product or won't be around in 5 years. The builder probably gets a good wholesale price from their distributor, which is mainly what concerns them in specifying a product. If you continue with NDR, follow their publication on compatible dimmers.

Hi All...the electrician switched to Westinghouse wafer type lights. Any experience with these?

It doesn't make any difference. Like all "wafers", the lens is not recessed. CRI is 80.

Westinghouse 5201100

wdccruise .Thanks. You are right, CRI is 80 on the lights that you can choose temperature. Or I could go with a non adjustable temp light at 3000k with a CRI at 90. Do you have an opinion on whats better?

As I wrote earlier, I'd install 4" housings. You can decide what you want to put in the housing later.

I do like these 2" or 3" canless lights for hallways. Examples:

• Commercial Electric 91581 3 in. White Interchangeable Trim LED Integrated Trimless Recessed Lighting Kit
• Nicor DRD211203KWH DRD 2 in. Round 3000K Remodel IC-Rated Canless Recessed Integrated LED Downlight Kit
• Niccor DQD211203KWHBF DQD 2 in. Square 3000K Remodel IC-Rated Canless Recessed Integrated LED Downlight Kit

You seem to be following whatever the electrician likes at any point in time. Typically in construction, you prepare a specification of the exact brand/model# of the fixture that a contractor is to price and install (e.g. Halo xxxx). Other times, you do the same then say "or equivalent," so the contractor can use any brand that matches that Halo fixture. Then a third take on that is you can give a general spec without a brand/model# and the contractor can use anything that matches that generality (e.g. 4", selectable CCT, >90CRI, white, integral).

Maybe in your case you should go to a big box or lighting store, and look at recessed fixtures and see what you like. Then tell your electrician to give you those, or equivalent ones.

Thank you. Electrician will use whatever we want. For framing reasons we are going with the canless wafers. I asked him to go from Westinghouse from Razor because I liked them a little better.

Now I am deciding between a wafer that has a CRI of 80 but adjustable temperature or a wafer that is 3000k and has a 90 CRI. I have looked at them, but it's hard for us to see a real difference.