Iulia,

Ce minune! N-am auzit niciodata de un trandafir sa infloreasca iarna acolo. :)

Nu cunosc varietatea dar esta foarte frumos. Florile rosii imi amintesc de Romania, mai ales trandafirii si muscatele.

'Gruss an Teplitz', perhaps?

I can definitely see how it could be Gruss an Teplitz, after googling it. Thank you very much!

Similar to Excellence von Schubert, but maybe yours is redder? Read comments in Help Me Find because in the US another rose that is more paler pink is often sold as EVS. I bought EVS from Burlington, since she has the real one. It had a sweet scent and the flowers closed at night and opened again each morning.

Excellence von Schubert

China and damask or gallica cross? French roses were exported to Romania in the 19th century and up to the 1930's. You could buy them from garden centers or by catalog order. Growers in Romania also hybridised their own, too. This one is obviously a strong grower all seasons - china genes.

I used to bring branches of roses from Europe and root them in the USA with great success.Can you get a branch? do you travel back home? Fed Ex would work, too. BTW except for the red color and fragrant it looks like my La Marne.

Paul you nailed it! Plus she can order it from Heirloom. THANK YOU for your expertise!

It's funny but my first, off-the-top-of-my-head thought was Crimson Rambler, when this was first posted. But when I looked it up on HMF, it said CR has no scent. So I thought your suggestion, Paul, of Gruss an Teplitz seemed more likely to be it.

I don't know about the clusters/multiflora thing, but HMF says neither CR (or TCR) or Excelsa is scented, and neither repeats much, if at all. That doesn't seem to fit with Julia's description of a 'strong floral smell' and almost perpetual blooming.

Iulia, could that floral scent of your rose be described as 'spicy' do you think? That's how HMF describes GaT's scent. I noticed that rose does have photos on HMF from eastern Europe (Poland and Slovenia), which might suggest it's available in Romania too.

https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.3131&tab=1

"HMF says neither CR (or TCR) or Excelsa is scented, and neither repeats much, if at all. That doesn't seem to fit with Julia's description of a 'strong floral smell' and almost perpetual blooming." @comtessedelacouche (10b S.Australia: hotdryMedclimate)

You're right. I didn't review the text, only looked at the newer photos. Now I'm totally stumped. It cannot possibly be either Turner's nor Excelsa.

Would you actually rule out GaT now, Paul, because of those big multiflora-like sprays of buds? I'm pretty ignorant and don't know whether Gruss has multiflora in it. China does seem likely given the perpetual blooming, which Artist-FKA (first commenter here, in Romanian) described as 'a miracle' for Romania, to have roses blooming in winter - according to my Google Translate, anyway. :-)

How about Super Excelsa?

SE is also unscented, and not a continual repeat bloomer, from what I've read. Unless you've a different experience of it, perhaps?

We're looking for a healthy/vigorous shrub/possible climber, constantly repeating, continuing into winter in Romania, with a strong floral scent. :-)

I don't have experience with it, but Quest-Ritson describes it as producing its flowers repeatedly and being slightly fragrant if you can trust that.

@comtessedelacouche (10b S.Australia: hotdryMedclimate) 'Gruss an Teplitz' does not produce large panicles like that, no.

@Formerly RBEHS Z10A/S17 The OP's rose is described as strongly scented and "abundant bloom from early spring all the way into winter", and 'Super Excelsa' cannot be described in those terms, not even remotely. But if you go by looks alone, that was a good guess.

This rose has inherited R. multiflora's spray habit of bloom (or possibly R. soulienana), but has picked up the repeat bloom habit from something else - possibly a Floribunda, which would make this a kind of Hybrid Musk. So we may be looking for a scented, medium red Hybrid Musk.

Could your special red rose be this Hybrid Musk?

'Rosaleen', Bentall 1933.

Links to Pemberton Gardens and HMF below.

Carol

Pemberton Gardens

HMF Rosaleen

Maybe... no mention at all of that 'strong floral' scent though. Malcolm Manners would perhaps be best able to adjudicate on this, since the only photos of Rosaleen on HMF are his. But I wonder about the likelihood of such an apparently rare HM, maybe only distributed in recent years in the US, making it to Romania... I mean, it's possible of course, but...

Also, in MM's greenhouse where his plant was growing and photos taken, the foliage looks more matte than in Iulia's pictures, taken in sunlight... so may or may not be a useful comparison...

Just musing out loud!

Of course, it could just be a rose cultivated or spontaneously created and passed around locally, without making it into any record books/websites...

I'm still wondering about China ancestry, due to that long flowering season and there being (IIRC) quite a lot of dark red Chinas, but my knowledge is too sketchy to know if other elements like the large sprays of blooms would rule it out.... I'm looking at that pointed foliage with around 5 leaflets - is that possibly China-y?

It's a fun puzzle! :-)

Ill have to try and find pics of my Wilhelm, but his fragrance isnt strong. For some reason, this rose reminds me of Harkness Robin Hood, a rose I really like that has incredibly strong gfragranc fragrance.

@Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley, I'd forgotten about Robin Hood! (So many roses to remember; so little brain storage here.) Genius--you might be on to something! A remontant that is likely Hybrid Musk as @Paul Barden mentioned. With strong fragrance as @comtessedelacouche (10b S.Australia: hotdryMedclimate) noted. @Iulia Bradeanu, could this be your rose? 'Robin Hood', Harkness 1998 HMF link below. Carol

Robin Hood/Madrigal/King Arthur

I have old Russian rose magazines from before the revolution with lists of roses and where you could get them. There are lots of ads you can order direct from Paris and London. There are also ads for seeds from America. The magazines have articles on the latest from London and Paris garden shows and illustrations. All of this was destroyed in 1917. The roses in the Imperial greenhouse in Tsarskoe Selo were sent to Petrograd and a new stste greenhouse.

Thank you very much for everyone's help! I'm discussing with my mother and having her send me a few cuttings this summer. I hope they get to root. I haven't been around the rose in about 6 years, except for occasional visits, so I may be wrong about the scent. I'll ask my mom to see how she would describe it.

That sounds lovely, Lulia! Please keep us updated if you get a chance. I'd love to hear more of the continuing story. Good luck with your cuttings! Carol

Yes, please do let us know how you get on. I'm actually surprised you can ship plant material to the US from Europe - I thought the US customs would be fairly draconian about that sort of thing, to prevent spread of diseases, etc.

If all goes well, it will be lovely for you to have such a fragrant reminder of your childhood home. :-)

“I'm actually surprised you can ship plant material to the US from Europe - I thought the US customs would be fairly draconian about that sort of thing, to prevent spread of diseases, etc.”

You can’t. There are very strict import regulations, and if you attempt to circumvent the rules for importation, you can get into serious trouble.

Drugs are shipped by mail without getting stopped. it's crazy how lax things are. i haven't done it for a very long time. I never had to give them up so I have never been stopped. I only did it with England a few times. i was given cuttings from Windsor that were supposed to be from the white rose plant Queen Victoria took flowers from for the wedding of one of her kids. After they rooted and bloomed it was a red gallica, probably Charles d'Mills (sp). That took years to discover! Gardeners at the Royal palaces and estates loved to be asked for cuttings.

Bob, you can buy prescriptions through the mail because protocols have been established to enable it. Importing rose materials from out of the country has a very different set of protocols to deal with such activity, and its a lot like how Homeland Security deals with things. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, plant imports and quarantine is now handled by Homeland Security.

Sure, its possible you might get away with stuffing a few cuttings in a box and shipping it overseas and not get caught, but I guarantee you, if you DO get caught, the consequences can be severe.

Funnily enough, back in the 1970s when I was living in rural Devon (SW England) I posted a box full of wild flowers picked from the Devon hedgerows to a friend (ex-Devonian, temporarily in exile in New York City) for his birthday. From what I can remember, I filled out the customs form honestly, just putting 'flowers' as the contents, monetary value 'nil', I suppose! (Though of course priceless, in reality.) I was thrilled to hear it had passed through customs with no problem, and the flowers had arrived still fresh in their damp moss and smelling of the English countryside.

I'm guessing things have tightened up a lot since those days, unless I was just lucky.

Here In Oz, they really are FIERCE about protecting our native wildlife and agriculture and you absolutely wouldn't want to mess with them. They even used to spray you (people) with some ghastly smelling substance before they'd let you off the 'plane, to extinguish all possible microscopic life forms that might be attached to your person.

Well, Paul, my old days of doing such things ended 7 years ago when i lost my right foot. I don't travel anymore even with my prosthetic. My Windsor rose was in 1982 or 84 - a long time ago. I also brought a 1720 common moss from England openly in 1979 in my bags and declared it. it just bloom once or twice before I had to move in 1985. It would not transplant and died. I have been hunting for common moss ever since. Last year i found two bands of it. I hope they take off.

Paul, I am not telling anyone to break the law.. I did this 30 or 40 years ago and was just sharing my experience. I declared the common moss plant and I won't be doing this again since I am crippled and 71. Please forgive me if I offended you!

No offense taken, Bob. I just wanted to make sure folks understood that mailing plant material between countries is subject to regulations.