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Master bath design help

Edy
last month
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Hello,

We have this design planned for a master bath and I am still not 100% sure its the best use of our space. Its a strange space sandwiched between bedrooms and we've laid it out every way we can think of with our architect. In the original, the tub was under the window and the shower was a throne room before. We really did want to keep the vanity as the center of the room and have a larger walk in shower. Could lose the tub, but not sure what to fill the room with then.

We finally landed on putting the tub in the shower under the window in a giant walk in shower (not a true wet room as it has a ledge and full glass doors) as you see below. As estimates start rolling in, I'm sure that this will take us over budget with tiles and glass.

Does anyone else have any helpful suggestions on layout? We have looked at this a lot but maybe a fresh pair of eyes will help.

Please no negative and off-topic comments about the room size, how pointless tubs are, etc. This is framed out so the room size is what it is. THANK YOU!!


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    Sabrina Alfin Interiors
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    Put the tub under the window, put the shower where the toilet is, and put the toilet adjacent to the shower. Use a clerestory window for privacy, like this:


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    Or, you could shorten the vanity slightly and put the toilet adjacent to the vanity near the tub.

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    Mark Bischak, Architect
    last month

    Fearing that my comments will be taken as "negative and off-topic", I will leave it to the OP's experience the use of the spaces to discover them.

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  • Edy
    Original Author
    last month
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    Not sure what that fragment meant entirely but your comment just showcases my point. Your post wasn't helpful so you didnt need to post it. There is an abundance of comments on every bath post about how stupid FS tubs, throne rooms, big bathrooms, etc are without addressing the OP's ACTUAL question. It's super frustrating when ppl are already stressed enough trying to make these decisions.

  • Edy
    Original Author
    last month

    @Sabrina Alfin Interiors Hi! Thanks for your input. It seems like you're suggesting to scratch the throne room altogether. Its just been framed out but it wouldn't be the end of the world to adjust. Do you have any suggestions if I wanted to keep it and forgo a tub for a larger his and hers shower? THANKS!

  • 3onthetree
    last month

    Jan's layout seems the obvious choice. With that, your ceiling appears 10' high and you have 8' high doors. Your bathroom door is only 28" wide, with tight walls down a "hall" so all you will see is a tall skinny door and casing at the end of hall. One of those walls, presumably a his&her closet, should shift to allow a wider "hall" to get a wider door and space next to the casing.

    But I guess you have to disregard what I said because it is beyond the "conditions" you have dictated for any response.

  • RNmomof2 zone 5
    last month

    So am I allowed to point a flaw in the plan or not? The door to the toilet room is awkward hinged the way it is. If you are in a hurry to get to the toilet, you have to enter the room and go around the door to enter the toilet. I would hinge it from the other side. I'm guessing from its location that the door will be closed most of the time.

  • RNmomof2 zone 5
    last month

    Another thought. How about spinning the toilet 90 degrees and having it face the sink. The door could either be on the side on at the end opposite the second sink.

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  • Edy
    Original Author
    last month
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    Yes all flaws and suggestions are welcome! I can not change the room size and the window is in and was a mandatory so thats a done deal. It is a clerestory window though! We have framed but just barely so some door/hallway changes are possible! @JAN MOYER i was also looking for a way to add storage as you suggested. That is def missing, along with space for twel racks. I had drafted out the same draft you provided but my tub was under the window. I like how you shifted it to the right corner. If i scratched the tub altogether what would you put there instead? Maybe? I only added in into a wet room because i know from exp. i don't enjoy sitting in a tub cold out in the open. So i might jsut save the $$ and pass on the tub altogether.

    I would prob not have the vanity meet the shower and leave a 2-3 foot gap for towel racks as I dont have any towels near the shower right now.

    @3onthetree the ceilings are 9 feet. door is 30, hallway is 36. Yes there is his and hers closets leading in but I really dont want to surrender any more of them, already lost some space. Was your pt that the door size? Trying to understand... thank you!

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    JAN MOYER
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    Are you showing a closed off doorway lower left? The large at the tub is clerestory.

    Also....... " door hallway" what hallway, show the entire THING, and THE BEDROOM.

    In other words. Where are the closets? Show the hallway. ......the missing stuff,

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    JAN MOYER
    last month
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    Never mind.......

    Just lose the tub. You're ambivalent. You don;t even love open air, so put a door on the BIG shower too. With half glass at the vanity - you each get your OWN 54" x 21" , no law says you have to share one long anything. Get the decent linen closet!

    And btw? Hooks are a lot better than towel bars.

    Towels dry better, and need no folding to look good. What you save on tub? HEAT the bath floor.

    And take a poop all by yourself in there. Fan over the toilet and yes in the shower too.

    You'll have room even for a cool narrow bench. Sit and chat........ OR ..just throw a great 4 x 8 rug on that floor...

    It's hand wring over space a lot of folks would envy

    ( 1/3 inch to a foot below )

    Swing the entry door as you like.......I did this and eliminated the door to the loo and this swing means you hadly notice it. Which I find is better for alone time, no company in there anyway. Ick.



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  • Edy
    Original Author
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    I really like this option! it really opens the space up and having walked through the marked up room the other day- it felt tight. Thank you so much, Jan! Here is the full view that was asked for by a few of you!


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    JAN MOYER
    last month
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    You're very welcome!

    Keep it simple!! Use the same tile on shower walls and floor

    Me? I skip the niche concept. There's nothing glam about shampoo and conditioner- they hardly need a highlight. Set that junk right on a solid to floor bench

    Curb top and bench top? Same solid surface as your counter top...in a perfect world. Never tile the tops of these. The best shower is a WATERPROOF shower. No seep/leaks anywhere.

    STORAGE is the key to an all day/great looking bath. There's nothing to gain in digging under a vanity and past doors to get to the mouthwash. . ..Drawers are great, and yes, it's easy to bypass water connections with a simple u built into the drawer.

    GFI's "disappear" when cut right into the riser, just turn. Make that riser tall, and it elevates the look from "basic" - no you don't need a tile to have style!

    I hate junk on the counter......electric tooth brush? Add a receptacle behind a drawer in the vanity...charge it/hide it/keep the dust off the toothbrush.

    The bath screw ups we see here on Houzz, the "woe is me" come largely from "over think" ......too much going on.... Spare yourself. Think clean, light bright and simple, and easy to clean. No matter the style flavor you give that bath.

    Light it............stow it......enjoy. Less is more. LOL You owe me BIG time.....hahahha

    If you must have a door on the poo closet? Change the entry door swing toward the "His" vanity. No big deal. : )

    The bonus here is a cozy shower for two with both natural and artificial light, just enough glass, a ton of storage in the bath, no wasted dollars in a tub in which ...you'd probably never float. Plenty of room for two people ; no crowding one another.




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  • 3onthetree
    last month

    The bathroom door is listed as 28"x8' tall (2/4 = 2ft+4in). The rough framing you probably measured on a walk-thru is 30" (add 2" to door size for framing). If you use standard 2 1/4" casing, add 5" to the width of the nominal door size once drywall and trim is on. So walking or looking down (centered alignment with the bed and mirror, no less) the lengthy closet hallway (which is shadowed when no lights are on) you see a tall, skinny door at the end with 1 1/2" of wall paint on either side. And also, it is more comfortable to have some extra room on the door lockset side for your elbows to swing. Note that the bedroom doors and both closet doors are wider at 30" (2/6 = 2ft+6in).

    Yes, the door and hallway proportion might be moot to people. But there is more to think about. Typically when you lay out a Master Ensuite, entrance symmetry is not the starting point as it limits you, and I don't see a strong need for it here. Most try to get a full wall across from the bed (for furniture/tv), and you try to evaluate circulation (ensuite door not front and center focus of the bedroom). And when you have his/her closets, it's a common tendency that one can be smaller than the other (no need to specify who gets the bigger one - that is obvious).

    So, in your layout, don't be afraid to offset the door and hallway. It may present other opportunities in the bathroom layout too. One limiting factor you have is the transom window that is about 5'-6" long - having a blank wall below it, or something ending under it that is not in relationship to the length - might look odd. So I would still try to use the tub or shower to make sense of the window. And Jan's 1st layout, IMO, is still better than breaking up the vanities, because sometimes when you have multiple "massings," including different proportions (e.g. the linen cab), the space will appear "messier" visually and thus less open. Not that that is bad, but your concern has been the feeling of openness.

    I don't think you'll change too much considering you are already framed, but here are a couple rough ideas, just to illustrate other thinking:



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    JAN MOYER
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    And what if.......you "don't like sitting in a tub out in the open"

    What if you have no REAL NEED FOR THE TUB?

    I sure wouldn't buy one to dust: )

    And I wouldn't spend a small fortune to put it behind glass in a semi wet room concept either. baths are like boyfriends....... good looking needs a companion in GREAT friends every day: ) lol

  • PRO
    Mark Bischak, Architect
    last month

    There is something wrong if the two walk-in closets are one for her and one for him. In my household, "his" is about 1/4 the size of "her's". Building a house is a good time to face realities.

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    JAN MOYER
    last month

    What? He can't take three steps across a hall and she gives him five feet of rod? They share a potty for gods sake. : )

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    JAN MOYER
    last month
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    At some point you simply pick the most pleasant "poison".

    Nobody can tell you if you need a tub, really WANT a tub. The first purpose of a primary bath is f.u.n.c.t.i.o.n.a.l. comfort, with beauty and simultaneous enjoyment right behind, IN the flavor and style you both favor. You can reinvent wheels until the wheels fall off the bus. Do you lie in bed, staring at the bath? Honestly, as long as your view isn't the damn toilet with a lid up??

    The clerestory window is the"fixed element" . Done. Not changing.

    Personally, I'd be fine with either below. If two people need more than a 10' x 16' bath? I'm truly in the first world - but that's me. I spend twenty five/ thirty minutes in it in the morning, and ten in the evening. I have a day lol. - and the only things I really LOVE sharing are meals, laughs, great conversation, sports, and that other "thing" : ) TOP pic below? Build in the tub, under mount or drop in to a deck..., add a fixed glass panel, stay toasty - plenty of room left to get in/out/. Heat the bath floor. You're going to be cold floating in here? No Way. Get linen storage. Get the two person big shower, the big vanity , the view into the space, Keep your closets.

    Now.........what's the issue? There ISN'T one? If there is, what would it be? A hook at the shower exit....hooks on the back of the entry door , a couple just left of your shower exit - a towel bar affixed to the glass panel that is keeping you warm in the tub. What else? answer is nothing I can see......





  • cpartist
    last month

    I absolutely would make one closet a bit smaller to have a wider door and hallway.


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    JAN MOYER
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    Lets see............: ) bear with and check "boxes" on the OP wish list and concerns.



    "I want a big 2 person shower"

    "A tub would be nice, but I don't want to be

    out in the open, I get cold"

    "We'd like the symmetry of looking in and

    seeing the vanity" ( you need not see all of it)

    "We don't want to lose closet. We already

    have made a reduction to closet"

    " We really could use some linen space"

    " It feels too big, how do we fill the space?"

    " We taped it off, it felt too cramped"

    How about you simply.....widen the hall passage to the master on the closet that shares a wall with the POTTY and lose a little in one closet. Why that wall?

    So that the tub can be a built in, so it can take up a length of 72 inches......so the Mrs. can have a glass panel...fixed or not fixed...AND STAY TOASTY while she floats

    It's common to have a 36 inch hall to many places in a home. Is 42" better? Okay... sure. Coming from the garage to kitchen? At the front foyer? Absolutely!

    But at what point are you making brain surgery of a bath that's 160 square feet, and closet space of 108 sq feet for two, ( sue me, I rounded down)

    How important is the darn view? (I'll add the entry to the bedroom is only a 32 inch door! )

    Meaning? I doubt it is worth brain surgery or giving up coveted closet space, which was stated to be very important.

    So... midst other things?

    How many closet doors in primary suites do I ever see closed? Nearly zero in 30 plus years!!!.

    How many poo doors are ever really closed for any length of time ? For the obvious, and if someone is already showered , made up, dressed, out, gone? HAH! You use it hanging open, unless you have lost your mind. All this means is, I may have clearly lost my mind- as all I see is a great bath answering every need, within all its capabilities to provide same.

    The clerestory window is the decider...... so, either shorten it by a foot, get more closet and LENGTHEN the closets by a foot/ don't widen the passage....or simply live with just a perfectly great bath, and create some out of season storage for clothes elsewhere ....

    PS

    The lengthened closets would shorten the shower to 66" instead of 78": ), and reduce 4' in front of vanity to 3' to tub edges and it's not necessary, either : )

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    JAN MOYER
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    Well. There's such a thing as leaving the door slightly ajar, and opening it with the back of your hand.......

    or better yet? Simply take a two sheet piece of toilet paper and use IT to touch a lever door handle, as I always do when leaving a restaurant bath. Or..put a hand sanitizer in there! You still need to use the vanity and lather your hands.

    Honestly, unless you are immunity compromised? You touch all types of things, all day long that have germs as bad. Did you ever put beach sand or dirt in your mouth as a kid?

    Lick a frozen stair railing ? You're still here. We are in fact, sanitizing our way OUT of an immune system.

  • RNmomof2 zone 5
    last month

    @cathie2029 Are you hands really that much dirtier coming out of the br than going in? My hands do not get any bodily fluids (which are sterile upon exit) or feces on them while toileting.

    I would venture to say your hands are germier at random times of the day when you have touched your nose or mouth or some object that a kid with gross hands has previously touched.

  • cathie2029
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    @JAN MOYER nope never did that as a kid. Still gross. Put a sink in there or leave it out.

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    JAN MOYER
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    It's only gross if one MAKES it so. Don't have one for you. I find it not necessary as well. But I don't like sharing a bath during these events. Many do not mind. Their "business" and pun intended.

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  • Edy
    Original Author
    last month

    Thank you @JAN MOYER and @cpartist. I didnt even see that 28" door. I'm going to meet with the GC tomorrow to move one closet wall a bit. Really like the 2 vanity design.


    Would you recommend tiling all 4 walls in both of your designs @JAN MOYER.

    Last, do you have a pic example of this riser/outlet? THANK YOU!!!



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    JAN MOYER
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    I tile what gets wet. I tile to protect a wall, to cover a floor.

    Tile is but ONE tool in a bath. It depends the look and feel you want. FYI..... I have never tiled a darn thing floor to ceiling, edge to edge, other than a shower or floor. : ) But that's me.

    In fact, for the adults among us? I've put hardwood on the bath floor, engineered hardwood, LVP....and yes every type of tile - ceramic, marble porcelain. My favorite? The hardwoods: ) Why? Warmer, eliminates agony over combinations of tiles. All you need is the shower, and the shower floor. Looks especially rich with white or other painted cabinetry. As to water/humidity issues? Depends habits of the occupants, and good ventilation. ......read "adults" or not.

    To answer Edy's question? In living color.......

    and not because I don't LIKE tile.....it's because for most, it's a quite permanent decision. It's labor, it's grout . And a primary bath isn't a sauna. : )



    One note: please do ignore the inconveniently squashed free standing tubs squashed against walls in the images.....just to point re hw floor....and it's style flexibility : )









  • K L
    last month

    I'm glad you decided to be more flexible about everything. I think you will be happier with the result. You've got some real experts giving you advice.

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    JAN MOYER
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    @Edy

    To answer the GFI question?

    Basically as this: Note 7 or eight inches "elevates" the look of a riser to far more elegant, and the gfi simply turns....matches closely and your FABRICATOR cuts that in. Look closely...



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  • chisue
    last month

    Only because we have the same layout: MBR/Hall flanked by Closets/MBA...

    The pocket doors to our closets are rarely closed.

    Our sinks back to the closets, with WC/Tub/Shower opposite.

    Custom 'medicine closets' over the sinks are extra deep, with electrical outlets. Mirrored fronts are flush with the wall. A mirrored wall feels MCM to me.

    The 'linen' (and everything else) closet is beside my sink.

    Please reconsider door placement for your closets; Rods don't turn corners.

    You'll appreciate seating in the MBA and in closets.

    We have a high power exhaust fan for the whole bathroom + WC exhaust.

    By chance, our sink towel rods are over heat supply vents in the floor. Nice.

    We have heat mats under the floor tile. (Replaced control once after 15 years.)

    Can you avoid the 'fighting' doors? (Entry/WC)

    I want to be warm in tub and shower, and I don't want 'company' using the toilet.

    Think about the time ratios using/cleaning a big shower. What's the hot water supply? Tiled benches can be slippery (dangerous) and are another surface to be cleaned.

    I wan't a senior when we built, but now want grab bars for tub and shower access.




  • Edy
    Original Author
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    @chisue can you share a pic pls??

    i have little people that want to be in every room and join you for every water occasion. everyone thinks i want a throne room to spend every waking moment with my spouse. wrong lol.


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    JAN MOYER
    last month

    LOL.........I think you need a she shed in the back forty.........if you are indeed hiding in the poo closet.

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    Mark Bischak, Architect
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    Perhaps the master bathroom door should be a bookcase?? Sssshhhhhh! Don't tell the little people.

  • Edy
    Original Author
    last month

    It's too late but just out of curiosity i tried @chisue's idea. is this what you have?

    it def. is one way to get everything to fit better. Con? its everything budget wise! LOL.





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    JAN MOYER
    last month

    "I want a big 2 person shower" ( 4 x 8 is more than plenty, you need more space for a tub, reduce it to 6')

    "A tub would be nice, but I don't want to be

    out in the open, I get cold"( tub or not is up to you, )

    "We'd like the symmetry of looking in and

    seeing the vanity" ( that's not happening )

    "We don't want to lose closet. We already

    have made a reduction to closet"( they're, okay? Yes/no )

    " We really could use some linen space"( yes, 2 feet is fine )

    " It feels too big, how do we fill the space?"

    " We taped it off, it felt too cramped") (well?

    It's your bath, not ours., right ?)

    It " checks a budget box? Okay..... all the elements are basically same. They're simply rearranged. Not sure what the one foot square is , on your new plan


  • salonva
    last month

    This is very helpful reading along here. We are going to be doing a remodel of our Master Bath and i'm taking notes. I will likely post a thread shortly to ask about our specifics. I do have a floor plan but have to get my thoughts together.