Not at all, the history behind plants, particularly if it helps naming, identifying and doing some detective work, is very very relevant to this thread. I *think* I can speak to Conifer Kingdom's Iseli Seedling offering, as a few years ago, I sent grafts to Brent with that labeling, and so thus, they are almost certainly NOT the same plant '#1 Sdlng Skylands', but rather a clone or another seedling that will need more research to determine it's exact origin. I can say that the plants from Conifer Kingdom, if they are grafts that I sent, are from the specimen I've posted at the top. Maybe someone with a lot more experience than I have can step in and offer some more suggestions or evidence to the plant I have. It was sold from Coenosium gardens in about 2008/2009, so Bob can probably shed some light on things if he wanders through. Cheers. -Will

Itasca Greenhouse lists them. They look to be sold out currently but available in late Aug 07. I have ordered a number of trees from them before and they are plug grown. The majority have done well for me. Customer service is good and shipping has been cheapest of anyone I have ordered from. Less than $10 for 50+ seedlings No minimum order. Keith Here is a link that might be useful: itasca greenhouse conifers

@J.N - Thanks for the first hand description of 'Firefly'. I have not yet seen either cultivar in person. However, these two cultivars are different. I am certain of that. The 'Iseli Seedling' that Will displayed was obtained at ACS auction by Don Howse. A bunch of these unnamed seedlings were handed out at the auction, which was a bad choice by iseli. It has caused a lot of confusion in the trade. Don gave some scions to Bob Finchman, and that's where Will obtained his plant displayed in the "4 years thread". Iseli confirmed that they never gave out any of what later became 'Firefly'. But as many as 10 other variety of 'Iseli Seedling xx' are making the rounds, causing a lot of confusion. Hope that helps. If I misrepresented anything, hopefully someone will chime in and correct.

where did you find the name???? have any links to share???? the link below .. indicates iseli is trialing some seedlings ... they are one, if not the, biggest wholesalers in the US .... either email them.. or use their website to find a local retailer.. then contact them.. and see if they can order one for spring shipment .... i have never heard of it before.. so i suspect.. it may be incredibly hard to find... which is part of the 'collecting' thing .. getting somethign that rare is half the fun of it ... good luck ken PS: skylands is extremely borderline for my z5 ... and you are in 4 .... you might want to think that part out, before investing a lot of money ... Here is a link that might be useful: link