Three Large Pella Archtops Leaking
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Comments (15)I strongly recommend extruded aluminum cladding instead of roll-form aluminum. Marvin stopped using roll-form aluminum long ago because of the problems with wood rotting when water inevitably ges behind a thin aluminum covering. Most high level window manufacturers did the same. An extruded aluminum cladding is essentially an exterior aluminum window grafted to an interior wood window. In some designs the interior wood is more of a cladding. Obviously, this costs more to fabricate. As far as I can tell, Pella still uses roll-form aluminum (with bad joints IMHO) for all of their residential windows and calls it "EnduraClad". This puts Pella a whole notch (or two) below Marvin and Eagle in quality. I can't tell you more about Pella because I stopped using them in the 70's. Marvin's extruded aluminum cladding is available in 5 standard colors, 14 select colors, and unlimited custom colors. One of the select colors is Hampton Sage. Many other manufacturers offer surprisingly similar colors. I like Eagle but haven't used them since Andersen bought them. I did have some leaks at the perimeter of the sash and at the glass on two jobs but Eagle was good about replacing the sash. I've never had any trouble with Marvin. 400 The Andersen 400 Series Woodwright Double-Hung is a good window but is in a category of it's own because it is the only plastic clad wood window (that I know of). It doesn't always save much but it is preferable to many cheaper windows. The other 400 Series DH window (the TiltWash) uses the same plastic wrapped frame but the sash is of such poor quality (painted instead of clad and thin muntins) that I will not use it. Prices for windows vary greatly from town to town and between different kinds of distributors/suppliers so it pays to bid with several big outlets. I would avoid Home Depot and Lowes because of their inflated prices, poor knowledge, sloppy ordering, poor service, and intentional lying about delivery dates. Find the three biggest independent suppliers and give them one chance to price the job (with a minimum of discussion, indecision and revisions; these guys are used to dealing with pros). A contractor will get a better price because the suppliers want repeat business and are more likely to trust them not to "shop" the job by taking their price to other suppliers to see if they can beat it (like Home Depot). Buying windows isn't like buying a used car; the good suppliers make a small percent profit and need to move a lot of windows fast. Here is what a Pella roll-form clad sash joint looks like:...See MorePella windows, is this normal??
Comments (22)Guy, Thanks for the info you posted on Garden Web. It addresses a concern that I have and perhaps you can give me a direction or recommendation. I am in the NW Chgo metro area, and have a quote from Pella in Barrington for 5 Designer Series casements (total 12 sashes) that includes their installation services. The quote does not detail product from labor charges. I asked if the store was independently owned, and was told that they were owned by Pella. That made me question why their installation is only warranted for 2 years, as the products' 20 year warranty is void for improper installation. Over the last 25 years, I've had 3 Designer Pella patio doors and 4 windows installed by a very qualified independent contractor (who is no longer available). He was very experienced carpenter, I know he installed the products without Pella's clips - I believe attaching directly to the frame. In addition to a quality installation, I also had a significant cost savings as I was able to purchase the windows using the contractor's discount. I have no way of knowing what is the experience and quality of work of the Pella contractors who would do the work - I only know that the warranty will be void if Pella can blame any warranty issue on poor installation. The Pella in Barrington has not been willing to price the product without cost of their installation. I checked with Lowe's, now selling the Designer, and found they have no knowledge of the product, and not enough experience to know that they have no knowledge, and only gave me much frustration. I also contacted an exterior remodeler who markets Pella, and was told that all my new Pella's will be stocked sized; on reviewing product features with this business, I could tell that they were not knowledgeable on the product. Pella in Barrington stated their windows are customed sized as needed so that I will not be reducing window size, important to me. All sashes are approx 65" long, 3 will be 24" wide and the remaining 9 are 28" wide. Due to service/labor warranty discrepency, stock vs. custom size determination, and an inability to get product only pricing, I am unable to make an informed decision. I thank you for your time reading my concern, and hope you can give suggestion....See MoreDeciding between Marvin, Pella, Anderson, and Lincoln
Comments (23)Wondering why a "clad" product when you could have all vinyl... honestly the best choice for windows. Why choose vinyl? Vinyl windows have welded corners which are strong and leakproof. Be sure to look closely at the corners of products you're considering. If corners are screwed, stapled or glued, they will leak over time. You could not only have damaged windows, but a damaged structure, as well. Vinyl is so durable it resists fading, it's maintenance free, and it lasts a lifetime. In fact, our windows have a transferable, Limited Lifetime Manufacturer's Warranty plus the Good Housekeeping Seal 2-yr. money back guarantee. That's how sure we are about the quality of Earthwise vinyl windows. Although many don't realize this, vinyl is a sustainable product. Did you know the main substance used to produce vinyl is an abundant resource? It's salt! And vinyl is 100% recyclable. So why waste trees? Vinyl windows are some of the best in energy efficiency. At our company, we take energy efficiency one step further: We built our windows and patio doors to provide optimum performance for your specific climate. Forget the ads you're hearing now that suggest vinyl windows will warp - it's just adspeak. It's actually wood, composites, fiberglass and aluminum that warp over time. I hope you'll have a few minutes to look into the reality of today's vinyl windows because they're certainly very affordable. (Just our 2-cents worth...)...See MoreOkna windows?
Comments (69)Today was the last day for this crew. Doors are 100% dried in, Out door Dryvit and Trim is next and that doesn't start until next tuesday, IM also going to have them trim the windows the same way they are the doors just to get that little bit of extra water protection. They were going to start tomorrow but with wind chills going below 0* (almost unheard of out here) they called and said how about next week and I said I dont blame them. The guys today had to use a heat gun to get the wrap to stick to the doors. Overall IM very happy with the install and the next few weeks weather wise will be the test on their install. Hope they perform as good as they look. Such a nice improvement over the old doors. Still have the front door and that yucky green door to do, But I was slow in picking a style for those, Just got them ordered from therma-tru today so hopefully they get in in 3 or 4 weeks, that I'm doing myself just because I was able to get those from my own supplier. Thanks for everyones help and letting me pick yalls brains! Heres the final pictures I have now of the doors. I will post some more when the doors are 100%, but were probably another month or so until then. (floors and decks in as well as the trim and the rest of the exterior of the house being painted) Drywall finally started going up today too so that was nice. this one here wasn't a super huge change, it already had a newer vinyl door in but I wanted all to match and be top quality so I said replace it. I think it was like a andersen 100 series or something in it before. But heres all the new doors in! I wish I was moving in here lol. This is an interior of the bank of 4. I honestly love the look of them and the added support right below those I beams is just icing on the cake really. It wasn't needed but always nice to have. This post was edited by RTawp1509 on Wed, Jan 7, 15 at 19:15...See Morechisue
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