Advice on Fisher & Paykel gas AND induction hybrid range?
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Comments (8)The ranges were redesigned in 2018 and the oven is completely different now. I'm not sure how relevant the older reviews are any more. See https://blog.designerappliances.com/new-bertazzoni-ranges/ for a review of the updated ranges. I noticed an error in the review, they said the Broiler is 15000 BTU, it's only 9000 BTU on the 30" & 48" and 11000 BTU on the 36". The review does mention a studier range base and legs. So maybe the "curling" has been fixed. I purchased the 30" Pro all gas range in November and am generally happy with it. I'm happy with the burners and the range is very easy to clean. The only item of concern is the temperature control for the oven seems to be imprecise, it's either lower or higher that the temperature selected. I've adjusted the temperature on the oven a bit to try to compensate for this issue. It now seems to align at 350, if you select 350 on the control the temperature will come up to 350 on the gauge. But otherwise the control is either lower or higher than what you select, that is select 450 on the control and the temperature on gauge will go above 500 or so. As long as I can trust the temperature gauge, I can always just adjust the temperature up or down. The temperature gauge is different than what is displayed on their website and I find it difficult to figure out what the temperature really is. I have this gauge below, notice the four lines between 250 & 350, yet there are five lines between 350 & 450. There is also a dot above 250 and 450, not sure what the dots mean. Maybe 450 is at the dot above the '4'? Since I don't bake, I don't really need a precise temperature, if I'm off by 20 degrees it shouldn't a big deal. The oven does seem to maintain the same temperature over time. The oven does seem to go below 250, maybe the low is around 220 and the high seems to be around 550 or so. It's kinda hard to really know with this gauge. I'd much rather have this temperature gauge, which is so easy to read:...See More30 in induction range: Wolf, Bertazzoni, f&p, or cafe
Comments (11)Hi Evan, I just went for the 30” F&P pro (RGV3305N). My wife and I were on the fence between induction and gas and decided to live with the devil we know. We already have the F&P flex door fridge, and were planning on the dishdrawer regardless, so it definitely factored into the decision. Other contenders were KitchenAid and the platinum glass Cafe line, but availability remains terrible. Cafe also lacks a counter depth flex door option (yet) which killed my interest. The range and DW will be installed next Wednesday and I can give you more info if interested....See MoreFisher Paykel Induction Range
Comments (75)Hi Everyone. We are one year into owning our 30" F&P induction range. I left an early review above and am coming back with a report since this thread is active again. I very much agree with all the observations made by Jean a few days ago. Overall I've enjoyed our range, although will admit that I miss the romance and beauty of the gas flame (we replaced a Viking gas stove). The hum of those magnets just isn't quite the same :-), even if I know the induction is a healthier and a better environmental choice. I am a big home cook and it took me a good 9 months to really adapt from gas to induction. I think figuring out what cookware works best on the induction has also been a bit of trial and error. I think my ceramic cast iron (Le Creuset) and our All Clad Stainless Steel (20+ year old set from our wedding) work best. I too find it frustrating that the largest burner is at the back of the cooktop, but like Jean, have also found that the smaller burners can work well (especially at 7 and above). On the oven, I love the sliding racks. The oven temp is very reliable and comes to temp relatively fast (I have no complaints). I'm fine with the oven size -- we are a family of two and do not need a crazy amount of space. I did need to invest in a new smaller baking steel since my old pizza stone didn't fit in the F&P. I was interested in trying a baking steel anyway so that's been fine. We tend to use the regular baking, broil, areo, and pizza settings the most. There are a lot of other settings I have not used. My biggest complaint/frustration? Well, it is the glass windows in the oven door. I try to keep the interior of my oven relatively clean (wipe it down every few uses). Early on, as I was cleaning the interior glass, some excess water found its way between the interior/exterior glass and streaked. I wasn't using a crazy amount of water/vinegar solution, but it was clearly enough to find an opening between the two surfaces (which is still a bit concerning to me but I haven't pursued a fix). I am a lot more careful now with any cleaning solutions around the glass. I'd be curious if anyone else has experienced this or has suggestions? I am attaching a pic so you can see the streak. There is just no way to clean this. By and large, I give this stove a solid B+/A- and have recommended that friends take a look at it. I was interested to see that Blue Star now has an induction option. That did not exist when we bought ours. I got a 5 year warranty with our F&P so that was helpful and feels reassuring....See More30" Induction Range: Bertazzoni, Bosch, GE, Fulgor, Miele, Wolf, etc.
Comments (61)Since folks occasionally come across this thread, perhaps it's time for a 2023 update. Bosch Bosch has released a new "Pro" model in their 800 series line. The 800 Series Induction freestanding range (model number HIS8055U has front control knobs, but a rather small oven at 3.9 CuFt. While it does check my boxes for individual burner controls, preferably knobs, there's a few things to note: Oven size is rather small No bridge burner While Bosch themselves don't list out the wattage of each burner, it is a 40A circuit, so it may be a little less power than the Miele, Wolf or Fulgor Milano And this is a rumor and something I heard on a few appliance review videos, but unable to confirm: This product is the Smeg cooktop. If so, the burner power would be two burners at 3,000 W and two at 1,400 W. Which is indeed quite a bit less than the other top choices I had listed in the original post So overall it may look great, has front control knobs for each individual burner, but it may not have the power and/or reliability of the Bosch Benchmark slide-in induction range. Thermador They have been known for their "Freedom Induction Cooktop", especially in the 36" version. There are no truly dedicated burners, but a large "flex zone" on both the left and right side that are each powered by two separate inductors. You can use each zone as two individual burners or as one large cooking zone. You can slide pots and pans around over the entire zone and with several different programming options, it will remember your setting and transfer it to wherever you move the pan. Or you can set it to be in incrementally lower power settings front to back. So it can be on 9 at the front, 7 in the middle, 5 further back, etc.... Sear and just slide it back to lower the power setting. Extremely high tech and super impressive. So now Thermador has released this in a 30" induction range. The Thermador Liberty® Induction Professional Range 30'' Pro Harmony® (that's a mouthful) with model number PRI30LBHU is a sleek looking cooking range, with an impressively capable induction cooktop. What stood out to me: The Liberty or Freedom cooktop is phenomenally flexible, powerful and high tech. A little overwhelmingly high-tech even However, in a 30" range, it seems a little small. While the entire glass cooktop is 22 1/2" deep, a large section in the front is taken up by the controls. Based on some initial measurements, that means the flex zone cooking surface is only about 15 1/2" to 16" deep. I have to find one in person to confirm that, but based on images and scale, that's it came out to. Sounds awfully small to me And, for me, the biggest sticking point is the lack of individual burner control. On the 36" version there is a very sleek looking control panel that is very intuitive with a slider control. On the 30" version, it looks very much like the Bosch controls and hence not my personal favorite. But it may work for you All that being said, it's probably been the most exciting release in the 30" induction range world for the last year. The images attached are the size of the Thermador cooktop and the comparison the controls of the 30" Liberty range vs the 36" Freedom cooktop Other updates Dacor Has completely abandoned and discontinued the 30" induction range Fisher & Paykel Someone did point out that DCS sold the household appliance brand F&P to Haier. Which is a Chinese conglomerate that owns GE Appliances, Hoover, Hotpoint, Sanyo and a few other brands. I have not necessarily heard anything bad about F&P and know several folks have purchased F&P 9 series Classic models since they come in different colors to match your desired interior Fulgor Milano They seem to be more prevalent now than they were when I wrote the original article. And many people are quite impressed and happy with the quality. One re-occurring comment I see is that the oven seems to indicate that the preheat is complete, while the temperature is not fully distributed throughout the oven cavity yet. Especially in simple bake mode. The workaround seems to be to preheat with a convection mode to ensure the entire oven cavity is heated through and then switch back to the preferred baking mode. A bit of a workaround, but it that's the only complaint, I think it remains a strong top contender GE Cafe and Profile No major updates Miele Likewise no significant updates. The induction range is still on version 3 and remains equally impressive as it was when I posted the original article. Wolf Only has released a style update with a different oven door handle. Wait times seem to have gone down, but no feature or other technical updates As far as I know those are the updates I was able to find, so I hope this helps those continuing to shop around...See Morejwvideo
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