Kitchen Sink Design Dilemma
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Comments (30)You've received a lot of good, helpful advice already, here and at the Kitchen forum. "most of the new models in Florida now have 12 foot ceilings in the great room and kitchen with many vaulted to 16 feet. This is especially true when there are views to water and they are using 10 foot glass doors to take advantage of the views." I understand about the views but people have to live inside a house, and in order for that to be done comfortably and pleasantly, you need a reasonable, human scale and proportions. Not something outsize and overscaled. This is already creating problems for you. At the very least with this sort of scale, an architect should plan for the interior problems/challenges that arise. As they have arisen here. You have two problems. One is the scale and size of the general project, the other is the layout of the kitchen. If we had a built in coffee machine where would you put it? First figure out how you use your kitchen, what you want and need in it, and THEN plan your kitchen. Not the other way around. How big is your family? Do you like to cook? Do you cook often or reheat takeout? Do you bbq outside? Do you eat a lot of vegetables and fruit? Do you shop for groceries often or infrequently? However, you can't consider the kitchen in a vacuum....See MoreKitchen design dilemma
Comments (6)I'd keep it as a peninsula and then extended the counter top 1 foot longer in length and then add enough overhang for seating along side it. That would give you 8' of length, long enough to seat 4 and scrap the table. Putting in the island the way you have designed it doesn't give you an usable prep space....See MoreKitchen design dilemma - work triangle
Comments (27)@mama goose_gw zn6OH Thank you for your thoughtful feedback. I was definitely considering the dishwasher swap, with dishes in drawers instead of upper cabinets. There's two reasons I'm hesitant. 1) I have never been a big fan of dishes in drawers. Getting dishes is a frequent activity, so having to bend down each time seems like it could get painful on the back. I could be totally wrong on this. 2) Our typical routine for weeknight dinner involves brining clean plates to the stove for loading and then taking to the island to eat. Setting the table for more "formal" dinners usually involves using the "good" dishes, which are stored elsewhere anyways. (The plan doesn't show it, but there are uppers on either side of stove and dishes are planned to be on the left.) Trash drawers are going to go under both main and prep sink. There is definitely room to make the island wider than the standard 4 feet and hence move it a little closer to stove. My concern there is that it would require a seam in the counter material (quartzite). Maybe a skilled installer could make that almost disappear. I'm just wondering how much that would bother me. I should have provided more context on the bank of floor-to-ceiling cabinets. The design is below. The middle section is indented with a counter ledge and has the microwave and coffee/breakfast stations behind the appliance garages. This is why the fridge can move to one of the two ends, but not the middle. If I'm adding the island prep sink, then I'm actually happy with the fridge at the end because it means I can just pivot to pull things from fridge and put on island. I had originally wanted to keep the island completely appliance free, but now realize the prep sink there is a must given the rest of the configuration....See MoreKitchen Layout Design Dilemma
Comments (18)A few things being overlooked.... First, your work zones... Successful Prep Zones have two KEY components -- direct water access and sufficient counterspace on either side of the sink for landing space on one side and workspace on the other side. If you want to prep in the island, then I strongly suggest you put a prep sink in the island or you will be continually running back & forth across the Kitchen to get to the refrigerator, then the sink, then the prep counterspace, and then the range/cooktop (and think of multiple trips like that during prepping a meal, baking, etc.). If you have to use the cleanup sink in the Cleanup Zone for prepping, then you will be doing a lot of zone-crossing (something that should be avoided). The corner pantry is in the way b/w prepping at the cleanup sink and getting to the range/cooktop (something should be avoided -- no tall obstructions should be in the path). If you put a sink in the island, you have the ideal situation of having the refrigerator + water + workspace + range/cooktop close to each other with easy navigation among them. The most functional orientation of an island that is to be used for prepping (as most are), is the longest side facing the range/cooktop. This puts the prep space directly across from the range/cooktop rather than around a corner like it is when the longest side faces the sink but not the range/cooktop. Your space is sized the wrong way to accomplish this...the longest wall is the sink wall, not the range wall, and not by a little, by a lot. Unfortunately, in your case with the window where it is and its size, you are stuck with putting the range/cooktop on the shorter wall on the bottom as it won't fit on the long wall with that window. (I assume all windows/walls are finalized.) So, that means either super-sizing the island to fill the space or leaving a fairly large gap in the Kitchen space -- assuming you have the longest side facing the range/cooktop and not the shortest. Next, the island -- its size... Unless you have very, very long arms, you are not going to be able to clean that island without climbing onto it. The farthest most people can easily reach is 30", so the deepest your island should functionally be is 60" (5'). 6' is too deep. Even with 5', you will have to walk around the island to reach the entire island to wipe it down. Note: When I say easily reach, I mean with a dish cloth in hand and wiping down, not straining to reach the farthest possible distance with your fingers. (Even if you have very long arms, unless others in your family do, you will always be the one stuck with wiping down the island, regardless of who is doing the dishes/cleaning up at the time.) Cabinets in the island... Are you planning on putting cabinets in the "empty space" in the island? It doesn't look like it since there are none drawn in, but if you do, keep in mind that you cannot easily access any cabinet under a seating (or any deep) overhang. The deepest I would recommend is 15" or so. They should also be either drawers in the bottom half and shelves above or shelves the entire height of the cabinet. Drawers and roll out tray shelves (ROTS) cannot be accessed much above about half-way up b/c the overhang blocks the access. Aisles...be sure your aisle widths can accommodate everything you plan to do in them. They should be at least 45" on the sink side (so you can pass b/w the island an open DW door) and 48" b/w the island and range/cooktop wall, which will mean 42" b/w the refrigerator and island since the refrigerator sticks out 5 to 6 inches beyond the cabinets. NOTE: Aisles are measured between the items that stick out the farthest into the aisle. This could be appliance handles, counter overhangs, and other items. They are NOT measured to/from cabinets as cabinet measurements only include the cabinet box, not the doors/drawer fronts, hardware, or counter overhangs. One final note...get as many drawers in your base cabinets as possible. They are superior to stationary shelves and even ROTSs....See Moresarahachevalier
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