Evidence of plant prices decreasing
popmama (Colorado, USDA z5)
last year
I've had Hoya Latifolia 'Sarawak' on my wishlist for about 3 years. I've watched them go for well over $100 for a two-leaf cutting or baby plant. For that reason, I just never purchased. In fact, I had basically resigned myself to not having one.
But a couple weeks ago, my favorite online hoya seller UnsolicitedPlantTalks offered Sarawak for only $65, a FULL plant. I leaped.
Evidence of prices coming down.
Happy to have and happy to have at a reasonable price.
Talk about big leaves! Extraordinary.
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last yearYep, TC=Thanksgiving Cactus. I also call it by its other name, Crab Cactus (because of the claw shaped leaves).
I grew a beautiful Amaryllis once called Moon Scene. I bought it online from Easy To Grow Bulbs. I miss it. But isn't she a looker?
My Lisa must like the window she's in. Sprouted two new leaves and they're a beautiful blushing pink (Huge west facing window in the living room). The whole living room and kitchen area are pretty bright and the plants love it. Sadly, my multiflora that was budding up, blasted. Augh!!! (to quote Charlie Brown and the gang).
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