Creative ideas to carve out space for laundry in existing kitchen?
I am trying to figure out a plan to add laundry and pet space to our existing kitchen. Here's the current layout, with the area in question circled in red:
We currently use this space as a breakfast area/storage space, but recently built a deck off of the kitchen and will move the breakfast space outdoors. (We are in a mild climate area where it is possible to eat outside most of the year, and there is a dining room where we eat most meals on the other side of the kitchen.) Not shown in the plan is a 25" x 42" freestanding work table, centered in the space between sink/stove/refrigerator.
Goals for this space:
- Washer/dryer, either stacked or counter-depth side-by-side. (Laundry is currently in a detached garage and would like to move it into the house.) Want to keep water hookups accessible whereever we place the washer.
- Pet supplies: we are getting ready to get a new dog. We had a dog for many years and kept food/crate/supplies in the kitchen, but have since repurposed that space for actual pantry items so now need to create new space. Some of these items could maybe be stored in a cabinet placed outside, but we can't keep any food or bowls outdoors (and of course crate needs to be indoors!)
- If we can keep an eating area indoors here, that's perfect, but not necessary. Right now I sometimes pull a stool up to the work table and sit there, and that works fine--we could potentially build a longer work table to create a more formal place for eating too.
- The windows are low--33" off the ground--but we are fine with either modifying or blocking (perhaps to later modify) them. The cooler cabinet is 24" deep and runs to the ceiling.
The two main scenarios I'm looking at right now are centering the washer/dryer side by side under the side window with 15" cabinets on either side, or stacking them against the cooler cabinet with a 54" cabinet run to the wall. In either case, we'd leave the area under the other window empty, for dog bowl and/or crate.
We could theoretically look at the space right next to the refrigerator as well--this is currently built out as a mudroom area with coat hooks--but aren't loving the idea of the laundry being right in a main path of travel through the house, and it is challenging to move the coat hooks anywhere else because of the many windows. We also leave the door of our current front-loading washer open often to air it out, and would find it challenging to do on this side of the room. It is 39"w x 25"d on the fridge side, 21"d on the broom closet side (not 18" as shown here).
Are there better solutions or other creative ideas for this space to get laundry into it?
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last yearLaundry height peninsula coming off just below the pantry? Preferably with a shallow something in the corner to clear the window?
I am lacking dimensions, obviously.
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last yearIf you skooch the back door over, you could put a stackable w/d on the hinge side of the door. The drawing represents just the appliances with no enclosure.
Making the appliance doors open toward the fridge instead of the breakfast nook means you could keep the front loader door open.
If the backdoor is not used as your family's primary entrance, swapping out the door+window for a sliding glass door would increase natural light and you wouldn't need to accommodate door-swing when/if you add a banquette.
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last yearlast modified: last yearI like Ilovelayouts idea to put it in the lower right corner.
I would rather move the door down because I would hate to touch those two beautiful perfect symmetrical windows which are screaming for a corner banquette bench under them!
I want to do a banquette for my corner too, and plan to add a place for the dog beds underneath that they enter from the two sides. Here are my favorite inspiration pics.
These have the latching door.
Sorry, I get a little carried away with anything dog related!rebunky
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last yearOh, I had never thought about a crate as part of the banquette--can't fit it under the seat but might be able to build it into the end! We need roughly 24" w x 24" h x 36" l so I'll play around with it. (We also need to actually adopt said dog to be sure that will be the right size, but are looking to do that in the next few weeks.) I am also laughing at the placement of the dog bowls in this old photo, because our old dog was huge and there is no way he would ever have been able to get back there to eat from those bowls since gracefulness was not one of his strengths--this must have been a staging photo when we first finished the kitchen.
The back door is the primary entrance most of the time. I'd love for it to be wider than the current 32" for that reason, though. We have room to move or extend the doorway up to 48" from where the opening begins now given constraints outside. So that could look like a 48" french door (looked at those and didn't love them) or more likely a 36" door, either moved over or with a 12" sidelite adjacent to it. If we moved it over as far as it can go, it would leave about 36" clear from the wall to the door. (There is 24" clear now, but with the door swing the cabinet has to be set back a bit from that--even with the 21" d cabinet we have to use a hinge restrictor. There is also the possibility of reversing the door swing, but at least with the current design, that's not ideal.) Any door changes do turn this into a much more involved project since we'd be widening or moving the framing in a load-bearing wall (vs. just making the windows smaller, which we could do pretty easily/relatively inexpensively).
@Fori I have played with the peninsula a bit but hadn't thought about having part of it narrower--that might actually make it more feasible. Will look at that again too.
I also have this last option pinned to combine a stacked washer/dryer with a banquette. It looks lovely in the photo, but I feel like in our real life it would end with the table covered with laundry most of the time, so not sure it's a great fit for us. But it would allow for a 56" bench with a 30" x 30" table, or maybe a slightly bigger table up against the window. If we did this, I wouldn't enclose the machines, but would just do panels on the sides (or maybe even just freestanding).
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