Got a 4x4' raised cedar bed, next to a 6' privacy fence. Shrub ideas?
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Comments (18)A hedge, more or less, is a wall. One thing I think always looks odd is a solid privacy fence (a wall) with a hedge (another wall, but green) in front of it. I think it's better to extend the height of the fence without blocking the fence entirely. One way to do that is to place large tree forms (of the height you wish to grow) in front of the fence. They can be placed as singles on periodic spacing ... or as groups, depending on what you are trying to achieve. They can be spaced so as to connect completely at the canopy area, or be spaced out so as to allow gaps, again, depending on what you are trying to achieve. Crape myrtles are one plant that can be used in this way, but there are innumerable others, depending on what you are trying to achieve. See sketch. (Oddly, this sketch I did awhile back was for someone else in Austin.) To question whether vines can achieve the height you want in a single season indicates that you have no experience with annual vines. Morning glories can grow 25' ht. in a single season if you do the things (common garden practices) that make them happy. Perennial vines are usually slower to get going, but they are there continuously. The easiest vine trellis is made by erecting two poles a few few apart. Install a large hook at the top of each one and span a chain between the poles (hung on the hooks.) Tie twine to the chain at intervals and connect it to the ground (tie to bamboo barbecue skewers from the grocery store.) Annual vines will quickly run up the twine and coagulate around the upper portions. (It can form a solid screen if you drop enough twines.) As annual vines go, there is nothing faster than gourd. Once it begins to climb it will reach the top in a week and begin sprawling all over the place in a couple more. (With kids around it can be a treat to watch the gourds form. Especially, try maranka -- the caveman club gourd -- for something they will really enjoy.) But leaves begin dying off from the bottom up after not too long, so it would best be followed with another annual vine ... like morning glories (Heavenly Blue cannot be beat) or Moonflower vine, if scent and evening flowering appeals. (IMO, moonflower makes the better screen.) I don't think it would be practical to trellis in your whole back yard. You might use the tree form shrubs for most of it, and use a trellis where you need the quickest screen....See MoreRaised beds for privacy?
Comments (4)Thanks, Karin. Thinking about questions such as yours will help us to clarify what we want and how to arrive at a solution. A canopy or pergola over the patio would certainly help, but I don't think it would be sufficient. Dh wants a place to grill, not under cover, and to extend our existing patio (also not under cover.) Basically, we want to screen the entire backyard, small as it is, from three sides, with the rear being the most problematic. We'll add an irrigation system and hopefully a water feature that will help to muffle sound. The lot is smaller than we've had for many years, with closer neighbors, so I'm concerned that we may be sensitive to the noise. Your point about fence maintenance is well-taken, and I'm chagrinned that I didn't think about that. The fence is ours, set slightly inside our property line. We could get to one side and a small portion of the rear, but not the entire back, without going onto a neighbor's property. Since our dog died last year, and we don't plan on getting another, we could remove some or all of the fence and take care of screening with trees and shrubs. Perhaps just the rear of the fence could be removed if a raised planting area is constructed. Dh intends to have some fairly large trees installed rather than have to wait 5+ yrs. for growth. Our kids have not remembered to water very often, so I think the trees' failure to thrive was mainly due to lack of water as you suggested. However, the soil is hard clay with lots of rocks as well as some construction debris such as broken bricks. It's very hard to dig in, which is another reason we've done so little to this yard thus far. This job will be hired out. The drainage easement is inside our fence, and is only about 2 - 3 ft. across and 12 - 15 inches deep. At the low spot on either side of the yard, the fence has a section of wire mesh attached (mainly to keep the side neighbors' dogs from visiting ours previously.) We're hoping to build the raised bed about a foot behind this small swale and on back to the property line, which is how I came up with its 5 ft. depth. So far, I haven't seen very forceful water flow even after the last tropical storm. I'm envisioning a low border grass between the drainage area and the front retaining wall for the raised bed. Part of my concern is whether there would be enough space for tall narrow conifers and other skinny evergreens (although they could overhang the front somewhat.) I get the impression you think this is overkill, and you may be right. I need to play around with the idea of multiple pergolas/trellises and research what vines might thrive there. I sure would not mind finding a less costly solution, as I don't know if this will be our last house or not. Thanks!...See MoreLooking for ideas for inexpensive raised beds
Comments (10)Digdirt - if only it was that easy. She's been to obedience school, she'll never go in the beds if we're around, repellant products don't work, she loves water, and actually plays with and drinks from the sprinkler, and we can't use a zap collar because it would affect my son's pacemaker! The biggest problem is my boys hit the wiffle balls behind the fencing, take it down and don't put it back right, so to her it's an invitation to come on in. Missing - that's why I like my original idea of multiple raised bed which would be placed perpendicular to the wooden fence with rows in between, and of course, I wouldn't raise the soil level around the existing trees and shrubs. She patrols the back fence but not with this side yard, she just likes to run and play with the kids and unless there is a fence, she doesn't care where the border is. I also had some trees back there which she turned into fetching sticks last winter. Pitties are sweet and playful, but not the brightest....See Morestone or treated wood or cedar for raised garden bed
Comments (20)Thank you, Rodney, for clarifying that this site is not just pnw gardeners. I must admit it is a more active blog. The other Houzz site I found that had a LOT of Central Floridians on was 1. Lot of 2011 comments, 2. Tied up with a controversy over earth worms. The blogs were interesting, entertaining, and a little better then watching the grass grow. Just to satisfy my curiosity I found a site that gave analysis findings on NP&K contained in EW castings. My take on it was just like humans you are what you eat. Now your raised bed comment. Yes it is more work. My oldes daughter and I went dumpster diving for the original boards that I used for the raised bed and they showed me what termites and moisture can do in a verrry short time in a sub-tropical climate. Social Security Disability income and age can put a new twist on your list of objectives when approaching a project. Projects in General will have a better chance of being successful if care is taken in the preparation. You would not paint a room without first masking and putting down drop cloths to protect the different surfaces. I went through 70k for surgeries, medical supplies, living expenses, and still lost my house. I took the last 40k and bought a HUD foreclosure, 2007 manufactured home on 1/2 acre so I would not be homeless. I can spend all day in my yard and garden doing what is needed, takes me all day sometimes, but it is my physical and mental "health insurance" and cheaper than a gym. The location of the garden was non-negotiable, although I did manage to give it a north/south orientation, but the previous owner must have had a love affair with rocks because 1 1/2-2 in. below surface is a layer of stones. Hell will freeze over before I can excavate all of that from the garden site, tried, so raised beds some 12 in. high was necessary. Dumpster diving is out, daughter moved to another state, and I can't do it myself so I need to buy the cheapest boards but not have to replace ever. My most recent chuckle/saying is "I am taking my bad knees,no more operations, and my raised bed boards to the grave with me, proverbially speaking. In the past; I did invest in good tools, "toys", if you saw the video demonstrating the ancient japanese method of wood preservation they are using a big torch I have a Dragon torch, handy little critter, makes the job easy, kinda like watching grass grow. I use a battery operated drill to screw the boards together since hammers, nails and I do not get along. Voila, raised bed my "mixing bowl" for all things needed create good organic soil. :) :) Happy Turkey Day BTW to everyone. Nov. 26, 2015...See MoreEsther-B, Zone 7a
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