Anyone grow Old Roses like this?
Alfie
3 months ago
I watched this episode of Gardner’s World here in the UK early in the year. This lady has this gorgeous garden and what I loved is that she grows old roses on large dome obelisks. She says the old varities are very wild and good for growing this way. I have put some pictures below. The pictures are all of the same rose. Any idea which old rose this could be? Would all those canes on each obelisk come from one old rose or multiple?
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Mischievous Magpie (CO 5b)
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Old Rose Sport Growing on Knock Out Bush
Comments (10)Congratulations! The absolute first thing you want to do is mark that cane so no one "accidentally helps" you by cutting it off! If you want to dead head it, ONLY snap off the spent flower, leave every leaf there is on that cane to encourage it to grow. Don't cut any pieces of it off until there is a lot of it so it can continue growing even after you start cutting from it. If you want to encourage it to grow, you could begin removing the Knock Out and leave only the sport growing. That would funnel the resources into this mutation instead of sharing it with the other growth. Once there is enough growth on that part of the bush, you can begin playing with the various methods of propagation. You have the bottle method which is done with soft wood cuttings from spring through about fall. You have the wrapping method which requires hard wood material in late fall through early spring. You can begin practicing budding now so when there is appropriate material, you might be able to bud it to preserve it. All methods are fair game. You have to determine which works best for your climate, your rose and your style of gardening. But, the first thing is to secure that sport so it isn't accidentally lost, then encourage it to produce enough growth that you will have plenty of material to work with. Kim...See MoreRose standard dead...rose growing back at old site...Dr. Huey??
Comments (8)As Mike said above, tree roses are almost always composed of 2 grafts that join 3 distinct 'pieces': The rootstock, the interstock (trunk) & the scion (the portion that produces the bloom). If your plant was a 36-inch rose tree from J&P it's almost certain that the interstock was Grifferaie grafted onto Dr Huey rootstock. If it was a 24-inch tree, it's conceivable that both the roots & the interstock were Dr Huey, altho Grifferaie is often used on those too. If you planted the tree deeply enough, I suppose it would be possible for the interstock to strike roots, but I think that's unlikely. I seriously doubt that there's any possibility De la Grifferaie will be the variety that comes back in your garden. I agree with berndoodle that you can expect Dr Huey to be making another of his unwelcome house calls....See MoreWhich "found rose" would you like to grow next to which 'known rose'?
Comments (87)For me Grandmother's Hat is a nice rose but not one of my most frequent bloomers. She only blooms in small flushes and no more than others of my HPs. HPs in general do well here as do Bourbons. Mme Pierre Oger is a monster (from Vintage who obtained a virus cleaned clone so maybe that accounts for some of the robustness???) Bourbon, healthy as can be and blooms repeatedly. Souvenir de la Malmaison is more demure in size but also a very healthy Bourbon with very good repeat. I can't remember whether she has many thorns. However, my HP Reine des Violettes is thornless and repeats about as much as Grandmother's Hat. Another HP I have is Comtesse O'Gorman, she is quite healthy and has few thorns. GH, RdV, and COG all seem to have very flexible canes, not twiggy/stiff like what I think of as HT habit. The HP that has bloomed the most for me is Baronne Prevost. She has also never shown any disease and has flexible canes. I have an HP from Eurodesert that came misidentified as Symphony but Cliff said it clearly wasn't. It's very pretty and healthy but quite strange. Grows in a very narrow, elegant, upright shape. I don't have a single rose that has that particular growth habit. Some canes are bristley while others are entirely smooth. I wonder how many of the found roses aren't any particular historic rose but rather seedlings of them. We know that in France back in the old days if you ordered a rose with a certain name you just might get a seedling. So what do we know about very old American nurseries? What were their practices? Did they always sell the actual variety or were seedlings sent? I really don't know but am curious about it. In addition, it seems modern day roses can easily get mixed up in commerce, so I have to wonder how many times that happened in the past, and we just don't know about it. Or if someone, way back got a seedling and that rose did really, really well, it might have been passed on to friends and spread because it was such a good plant. It won't match precisely a famous antique variety because it isn't. But should be treasured because of garden merit. With roses at Sangerhausen, I wish someone or a group would visit and discuss, in depth, the ID's of roses such as Cornet and Mrs. R. Sharman-Crawford with staff. How certain is Sangerhausen that these roses are correct in their garden? Do they have documentation that helps in the ID, and can this be viewed? Were these plants growing in parts of the garden that were bombed to heck during war, or in areas that came through unscathed? Then it would be nice if DNA of GH, Cornet, and MSC could be compared to see if they are related or are any of them identical....See MoreAnyone growing these Pernetianas or other old HTs?
Comments (28)An own root gallon of Talisman, Climbing (climbing sport of Talisman) arrived here mid-April from Angel Gardens in Alachua, FL. It gets full sun from 10-4, perched in a pot on stone steps that burn bare feet in the heat of the day. Well branched & ready to flush again for the fifth time this year, there's been nothing whimpy about it. The blooms are surprisingly large for such a young plant, confections of apricot, copper, pink & amber gold with strong rich perfume of fruit & spice. They held a week or more in high heat & humidity before shedding their petals. Very impressed with its clean foliage so far in this no spray garden. Both bush & climbing versions are considered nearly thornless, and this one's shown no thorns as yet, another plus for placement & especially appreciated in a climber. Loving this one!...See More
ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
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Paul Barden
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Marlorena in England
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Diane Brakefield
3 months agoAlfie
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Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
3 months agoLiz PNW 8b
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3 months agolast modified: 3 months agoingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
3 months agoPaul Barden
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Rosylady (PNW zone 8)
3 months agoHi Alfie....I tried this technique with 'Gloire Lyonnaise' this year and it was great fun! I liked it in part because it looked like a sculpture in the garden from January until it leafed out...so it gave a lot of winter interest. It was very easy to do, too! (In part because 'Gloire Lyonnaise' is very flexible and not too thorny).
We made it out of willow branches we cut from a wetlands next to our garden. We pushed them into the ground, then tied them together where they overlapped. It stayed very sturdy all season:
Then we bent the canes over and tied them down. We used raffia covered wire.
Rosylady (PNW zone 8)
3 months agoAnd here it is in June:
As the season progressed, the rose grew like gangbusters and threw out large canes which needed to be pruned or pegged...but because we were busy, we didn't do that...so it looked a little bit wild. I don't have a picture of that! :)
I would love to try this on other roses in my garden this spring!Alfie
2 months agoRosylady (PNW zone 8)
2 months ago
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