Anyone grow Old Roses like this?
I watched this episode of Gardner’s World here in the UK early in the year. This lady has this gorgeous garden and what I loved is that she grows old roses on large dome obelisks. She says the old varities are very wild and good for growing this way. I have put some pictures below. The pictures are all of the same rose. Any idea which old rose this could be? Would all those canes on each obelisk come from one old rose or multiple?
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Comments (10)Congratulations! The absolute first thing you want to do is mark that cane so no one "accidentally helps" you by cutting it off! If you want to dead head it, ONLY snap off the spent flower, leave every leaf there is on that cane to encourage it to grow. Don't cut any pieces of it off until there is a lot of it so it can continue growing even after you start cutting from it. If you want to encourage it to grow, you could begin removing the Knock Out and leave only the sport growing. That would funnel the resources into this mutation instead of sharing it with the other growth. Once there is enough growth on that part of the bush, you can begin playing with the various methods of propagation. You have the bottle method which is done with soft wood cuttings from spring through about fall. You have the wrapping method which requires hard wood material in late fall through early spring. You can begin practicing budding now so when there is appropriate material, you might be able to bud it to preserve it. All methods are fair game. You have to determine which works best for your climate, your rose and your style of gardening. But, the first thing is to secure that sport so it isn't accidentally lost, then encourage it to produce enough growth that you will have plenty of material to work with. Kim...See MoreDoes anyone grow Heirloom's OGR-like roses?
Comments (13)I'm glad to hear that you like it. They say that it is 'very fragrant' and makes a 3.5X3.5foot bush on the site. Let me know if your mileage varies. Would also be curious as to how it compares with the more fragrant of the Austins. I've gotten a bit lazy with respect to worrying about disease or winter hardiness with the Austins as most of their more recent introductions seem fine here without winter protection (all zone 5 hardy) or spraying, as long as I don't care about a little blackspot appearing from time to time. Never seems to slow them down, so I don't worry about it. However, I don't know if these issues are more of a concern in these other roses (Heirloom/Meilland) or if they are similar. I'd been concerned about the Meilland roses being less winter-hardy, but I'm not sure if that's the case. These Heirloom ones all list as zone 5 hardy, so I assume I'd be okay. Anyway, at some point maybe best to just go for it and add a couple to the garden mix....See MoreDoes anyone grow these old roses in zone 6?
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last yearHi Alfie....I tried this technique with 'Gloire Lyonnaise' this year and it was great fun! I liked it in part because it looked like a sculpture in the garden from January until it leafed out...so it gave a lot of winter interest. It was very easy to do, too! (In part because 'Gloire Lyonnaise' is very flexible and not too thorny).
We made it out of willow branches we cut from a wetlands next to our garden. We pushed them into the ground, then tied them together where they overlapped. It stayed very sturdy all season:
Then we bent the canes over and tied them down. We used raffia covered wire.
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last yearAnd here it is in June:
As the season progressed, the rose grew like gangbusters and threw out large canes which needed to be pruned or pegged...but because we were busy, we didn't do that...so it looked a little bit wild. I don't have a picture of that! :)
I would love to try this on other roses in my garden this spring!Alfie
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