WAIT A MINUTE. Okay y'all, if you think you have an addition question that will help you improve your lawn PLEASE start a new topic if you have ANY question related to new sod. dreabird I would love to interact with you on your issue, but I'm holding back. Here's why... jberger went the wrong direction and while he did get good advice, it did not go far enough or get the normal attention his question deserved simply because this was not his topic. I am not the forum police or even the moderator. I happen to be a moderator on other lawn forums, and have had to deal with this issue. I am just trying to get the best information out to the people who need it. Tacking questions on to other people's topics is not the best way to do that. J GIL, good advice, but you're only encouraging them. This topic should have died 5 years ago.

Cathi, my favorite cucumber way to eat cukes, other than pickles, is a "recipe" given to me by a much-beloved neighbor a decade or so ago. ( We loved these neighbors so much, we named kid #3 after them.) We call them "Nana's Cucumber's". Peel and slice cukes 1/4" or so and mix in about equal parts of sugar and Miracle Whip (the ONLY reason to have MW in the house, if you ask me, a full-fledged mayo fanatic), and top with a glug of vinegar. Let sit for a day or so to work its magic and then chow down! It's all so very exact, isn't it? LOL It's really just one of those things that you taste as you're going, until you find the right ratio for your tastebuds. For summer squash, our favorite is "Zuke Goop". Slice the squash, add tomatoes and corn, salting to taste. Sometimes we add onions and garlic, sometimes not. Simmer until the squash is tender and top with a sprinkle of cheese. (We came up with this recipe when we lived in Kansas and could actually grow squash without the bugs beating us to them. LOL) Diane

GRANDIFLORA ROSE LIST 2004 Listed below is a very comprehensive up to date list of Grandiflora roses eligible to be exhibited in a rose show. All are registered with ARS, or assigned an approved exhibition name, "AEN". Some are varieties, which are not listed in the 2004 "AEN", or other ARS publications. Its a handy reference of information for judges and exhibitors, or anyone just interested in roses that will perform well in their garden, based on reports from people who have grown them over the years. Corrections / Additions / Deletions will be posted, as official information becomes available. Any help in making this list more accurate and beneficial to the user is always welcome. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>KEY INFORMATION (1)-ARS "Approved Exhibition Name", AEN. (2)-ARS awards received. (3)-Blooming Habit: P, patio rose of adequate bloom and growth for container growing, CL, climbing variety; G/D, garden / decorative. (4)-Petal age: single 4-11; semi-dbl 12-16; double 17-25; full 26-40; very full 41+ petals. (5)-Bloom Form: HT hybrid teas exhibition; OGR old garden rose; open; flat; cupped. (6)-Bloom Size Open: Small, under 3.5"; Medium, 3.5" to 5"; Large, 5+". (7)-Blooming Habit: BIC, borne in clusters; S, solitary. (8)-Color Classification. (9)-Year rose was registered. (10)-The average national garden & Exhibiting ratings: 9.3-10 one of the best; 8.8-9.2 outstanding; 8.3-8.7 excellent; 7.8-8.2 very good; 7.3-7.7 good; 6.8-7.2 average; 6.1-6.7 below average; 0.0-6.0 not recommended (11)- Growth Habit: SG, spreading / ground cover, BG bushy; CG compact; UG upright.(12)-Fragrance: A, fragrant or slightly fragrant; B, very fragrant. (12)- Plant Heights: L, under 30"; M, 30 to 48"; T 48+". 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catterwallin, Hello,and I hope you have a really good Christmas. To directly answer some of your questions or thoughts,my small opinion.....as far as wondering how hard it would be I guess is up to you,and how you are feelng. I can relate to questionable health,physically speaking. It really does effect things.(to a point) I guess the only reason I mention high nitrogen is just a thought that I have regarding the fact that a healthy,strong,quick growing plant, really has a better shot(to me) than one that grows slower when it comes to dealing with multiple issues. In other words, I want to make sure that the plant becomes a plant strong and visually large enough. I will worry about the nitrogen negatives when I get to the second stage. It is worth a shot. That is how I have been shaking it lately. The covering was literal. Mulch is best,even better when you cover the mulch so that is does not blow away(leaves). If you were to manage find a tiller,and someone willing to help(if not yourself),and work whatever a row up, and then stick sturdy fallen tree branches into this area........then cover these branches as well as adding enough topsoil to where in the end you would still have a raised row,enough to withstand the gradual runoff that time will give you, I bet it might help with the clay. So long as when you are done with all the work, you cover it with a blanket,a pillow, tarp, clothes. I am not sure by a long shot since this type of communication is a long shot. If I was your next door neighbor, and you presented this question to me, it would be much easier. Anyhow, I hope your health stays with you in the best way it can. Take care, Travis