IMO Bosch everytime. Where have you shopped ? I find Meile DWS take too long and a friend in Calagary had 3 break down in the 11 yrs I had my Bosch in a catering kitchn in my home 6-8 loads a day. Have checked Aj Madison for stock. It appears they have quite a few.

In CR's tests, the $900 Bosch SHXM4AY55N was top-rated and is readily available (HD, Lowes, Best Buy). Some 800-series models performed a bit better but if you can't obtain one... The Miele G7156 did not receive a recommended rating and is very expensive ($1,700)

Since we need installation, haul away etc I’m shopping locally - it appears that they need to put in an outlet since older dishwashers are hardwired and the new ones are plug in?

Thanks wdccruise, the $900 model is the one my local dealer has in stock, however I tend to like my bells and whistles and was set on this 800 series model: https://www.bosch-home.com/us/productslist/dishwashers/top-controls/SHXM88Z75N#/ which retails for $1500, so the Miele isn’t that much more expensive… I’ve had some issues with Miele appliances though (love my washer, but have had issues with both dryer and fridge), and I know how absurdly expensive it is to fix them once out of warranty so that’s a bit of a concern.

We have a 12-year-old Miele dishwasher and overall have been happy with it--it's had a few issues over the years, but mostly things we could fix ourselves. We have a Bosch washer/dryer set and the washer has had a similar number of issues over a similar timeframe, though no idea how reflective that is of their dishwashers. We chose the Miele mainly because it could pass inspection without an airgap in our city, so kind of an obscure reason! But it's quiet and seems to get the job done. We have typical city water and don't use a water softener or salt. I know many people who love their Bosch dishwashers too. Modern dishwashers are pretty easy to DIY installation for, once you have an electrical outlet--they just plug in, connect the water, connect the drain, and adjust the feet according to the instructions. So I wouldn't shy away from ordering one if that's what gets you the model you want when you need it. I imagine you could easily find someone local to pay to install and take away the old one, too--once the electrical is done, the rest is handyman-level.

Dan1888 - we need the bar handle models since the dishwasher is the only place to hang a hand towel by the sink, unfortunately those are sold out most places. If my options were Bosch from ABT/AJ Madison vs Maytag from a local dealer I’d probably take the chance on ordering online. But when the other option is Miele (a solid brand) I’m a bit more reluctant to risk it!

Also we’re in a small city condo where we physically don’t have the space to store a second dishwasher and where service charges are exorbitant. So if I went the “order a Bosch online and find your own installer” route it would likely end up costing as much, if not more than the Miele. I don’t mind a challenge, just trying to figure out if the Miele is actually worse than the Bosch, which would make the added hassle worthwhile!

Did you try Home Depot? They have the Bosch 800 available in a week here.

I did, unfortunately with our zipcode the model I want is “currently out of stock”, same thing with Lowes.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Bosch-800-Series-24-in-Stainless-Steel-Top-Control-Tall-Tub-Dishwasher-with-Stainless-Steel-Tub-CrystalDry-40dBA-SHXM88Z75N/310500132

Perhaps it would be worth ten bucks to access CR's ratings and why it didn't recommend the Miele: https://www.consumerreports.org/search/?query=Dishwashers

Appliances Connection will ship the SHXM4AY55Ndishwasher for free, haul away the old one for $40, and install the new one for $150.

"Bells and whistles"? Don't you just load dishes, add detergent, and turn it on?

We’re in the DC Metro area and unfortunately my experience with outsourced third party installation has been abysmal. I’m talking TaskRabbit level quality with an attitude and hundreds of dollars of drywall repair left for the homeowner. A friend of mine just replaced her washer/dryer and the “installers” didn’t remove shipping struts from the washer AND didn’t connect her dryer to the vent pipe to give you an idea. We never had issues like this in MA where we lived before. So I’m not trying to stick with local because I’m being difficult, it really is way more of a headache and logistical challenge to do it the other way, especially when we need to switch from a direct wired dishwasher to the modern plug-in kind.

As for bells and whistles, I don’t need LED lights and Wifi connectivity, but for example with our previous three rack dishwasher always struggled to fit in tall wine glasses. The Miele adjustable top rack looks like it would really help with that issue since the sides slide to the center to make room for tall items.

Miele has good space management. Take a couple glasses in and see how they fit. My unit with non-adjustable third rack has other adjustments for wine glasses. Probably a less expensive model will work for you.

Overall, I think the Miele baskets will provide more flexibility. The Miele will securely hold stemware in the lower basket as is. With the Bosch, you'd have to get the GlassSecure Tray (https://www.bosch-home.com/us/supportdetail/product/SMZ5300(00)#/Tabs=section-spareparts) as seen here https://youtu.be/zKZhw9j08ts

The installation of the Bosch is pretty straight forward: the detailed installation manual even has QR codes for videos showing each step. The Miele either needs a custom panel or the optional stainless panel from Miele attached to it.

"We’re in the DC Metro area and unfortunately my experience with outsourced third party installation has been abysmal."

I don't get it:

• Home Depot (will install)
• Bray and Scarff (will install)
• M&M (will install)

"especially when we need to switch from a direct wired dishwasher to the modern plug-in kind."

Nope. Bosch SMZPCJB1UC (HD)

EOM

Yes, M&M is where I started (really great folks), which is why “purchase in-stock 100 Series” is first on my list of options. :) Problem is, I had my heart set on the 800 Series with flex top rack, and spec wise the Miele is closer to it than the 100.

We have a Bosch (300 I think) at a secondary property and Miele 7566 in our home. We have owned several other Miele dishwashers over the years, some better than others and hands down this Miele is the best. I find it more flexible to load than the Bosch, it can handle a lot more dishes and the cutlery tray is a better shape (the Bosch is sloped, Miele is flat except for the middle). Even loaded to the brim - sometimes we really pile stuff in there - the dishes come out super clean. The QuickIntense cycle takes an hour and does a good job with light to normal loads. The SensorPlus is the cycle we use the most and it take 3.5 hours but you can set it to start or end at a certain time, which is different from our last Miele. I did not think I’d use the AutoDos feature but turns out it’s awesome, not having to think about soap. I refill the cartridges with Finish powder following a youtube video I saw. Our last Miele was a lemon, sadly even though it was a higher spec machine, it never cleaned as well as previous ones we owned, but we could never figure out the problem. I’m glad I gave Miele another chance because this machine is much more like the others we owned in previous houses, cleans beautifully, quiet and easy to maintain. With this one, I purchased a 10-year warranty just to be on the safe side. I figure we use the machine 2x a day for 10 years we’ll have got our money’s worth, even though we expect it to last longer than that. Good luck with your decision!

Thanks so much for sharing! The 71 series doesn’t have AutoDos and I believe they also don’t have delayed start, but we always run our dishwasher at bedtime so that shouldn’t be an issue. Great to hear it’s easier to load and can take more - we cook a lot (and drink a lot of wine!), and it’s definitely a struggle to fit everything into our current two rack Bosch some nights. Went ahead and ordered the 7156, hopefully we like it as much as you do!

Now I need to figure out if Bosch induction ranges are also on some crazy backorder - we were planning to replace ours around Christmas.

That’s great, I hope you love it!

Wine glasses fit in my Bosch 800 without a special rack:

Our glasses are quite a bit taller and barely fit even without the third rack.

I had a top of the line MIele in the past and now have a Bosch 800. I much prefer the Bosch. The Miele etched my glassware and neither Miele nor anyone else could solve that problem. I ended up only using the delicate cycle in an attempt to minimize the problem and never put wine glasses or any other glassware in it. No such problem with the Bosch which was also much less expensive than the Miele. If I had to replace a dishwasher right now I think I'd buy an inexpensive Bosch to install now and order the one I really wanted and swap them out in a year. I also have a 20 year old lower end Bosch at my lake cabin and that also performs well.

Thanks! That’s concerning since we wash all our glassware in the dishwasher and other than fit issues all my Bosch dishwashers have always done a stellar job. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see - Miele coming this Thursday.

Bosche has a new industrial style induction range with knobs. HD seems to have stock.

I saw that! After much back and forth this weekend I think we decided on the Benchmark range, not the industrial one. The knobs are appealing, but we really like that the 800/Benchmark glass surface extends over the countertop (we’re currently constantly losing food in those cracks), and given how precious storage is in our small kitchen we wouldn’t want to lose the warming drawer space.

Although I just measured and our counters on both sides of the range aren’t level - off by about 1/4”. 🤦‍♀️

Just thought I’d share my thoughts after the first couple of uses of the Miele G7156 starting with the bad:

• - the bar handle is seriously ugly. We needed a bar handle since it’s the only spot to hang a towel by the kitchen sink, but man whoever designed this should be banned from designing anything ever again. Even my husband who never notices anything commented on it!
• - why on earth is the indicator light under the counter where it’s impossible to see vs shining on the floor like Bosch?
• - installation even with “certified in-house installers” was… interesting. They wanted to cap my dedicated dishwasher line and stick it behind the wall and plug the machine into an existing shared circuit outlet with my garbage disposal - good thing I overheard that conversation. So then they added an external outlet with no conduit covering the wire going into it. 🤦‍♀️

Now the good:

• - I much prefer the inside layout of the Miele - it feels like we can fit 30-40% more in this machine vs our old one
• - the bottom rack wine glass holder is amazing for our tall red wine glasses!
• - cleaning has been fantastic even without salt (shipping delayed) and using a half tab of Ecover detergent vs whole tab in the Bosch.
• - plastic comes out MUCH dryer than in our old DW - we don’t have to pour water out of the rim of Pyrex lids anymore!
• - the three spray arms seem like a serious improvement over the Bosch setup with two arms and small sprayer on top. We had some issues with top rack items getting clean if there were any large bowls or pans in the bottom (pressure from the top arm wasn’t enough to get things clean on its own), but that might have been an age issue.

@recordaras I'm looking at the Miele d/w's now. Which G7156 did you get? I need one for a new build. I see there are two different handles. The SCVi looks smaller than the SCVi SF. Who did you end up getting it from? The one I have now is from M&M, and they did a good job with the hook-up. My old one, which lasted 15yrs was from Sterling, also no problems. Although with the old one, I started getting detergent debris on some things until I started using the recommended Miele detergent tabs--then everything came out perfectly. Since getting the new one, that's all I use. Seems to make a difference.

@2rickies We got the SCVISF. The SCVI is a panel ready model, and since we were putting it into an existing kitchen adding a stainless panel would have been a few hundred extra over the SF. The handle is really quite ugly, so if you don’t need to panel or hang a towel on it like we do I’d recommend getting the pocket handle model instead.

M&M didn’t have any in stock so we ordered from ABW. I will be sticking with M&M for future orders, the GFCI outlet installation they did is so not to code I predict a headache when it’s time to sell.

Overall we’ve been VERY impressed with the Miele. It definitely does a better job of cleaning than our previous Bosch machines (which were stellar to begin with) and we’re still shocked by just how much more we can fit in. Even though we have fairly soft city water the built in water softener has been amazing, any droplet residue on wine glasses wipes right off when previously I needed to use vinegar. We’ve also been using our regular Ecover tabs (half a tab for regular loads, whole if we have greasy pots and pans) and they are working very well.

Thanks! this is so helpful. I didn't realize that was the panel-ready model. I'm getting stainless. I was looking at that big handle thinking it might get in the way...

Oh, sorry to hear about the ABW install--I have not heard good things about their service, and your experience is consistent with that.

As for the loading, great to hear you're happy with that! We were going to switch to Bosch, but I was loading one at a relative's house and realized how much less it held. So, sticking with Miele.

It’s definitely confusing! I believe the panel ready model doesn’t come with a handle at all (you install one to match your cabinet pulls), but the product photo shows it so prominently that I was definitely scratching my head trying to figure it all out.

The handle is just such an odd design. We got the Miele bottom freezer fridge earlier this year, and the dishwasher handle is not only ugly (it looks worse in real life than in photos btw), but it also doesn’t match the fridge! Come on Miele.