https://www.starrosesandplants.com/plants/veranda-lavender/

Maybe Kordes Veranda Lavender ?

This is the color of my Plum Perfect so looking at both pictures they dont seem to be the same

Lavender Veranda is a good guess! Your Plum Perfect does look like a different color, Kristine. Color-wise, I thought my mystery rose looked a bit like Heirloom, but I think Heirloom has fewer petals? Here’s Heirloom at the USC Expo Park garden.

The mystery rose definitely isn't Heirloom. But it does look like a lot of pictures I've seen of Plum Perfect. PP is new to me this year, so I can't confirm. Are Lavender Veranda's blooms that big?

I don’t think it is lavender veranda. My lavender veranda has slightly pointed petals and small flowers, almost like a mini. Your poctures look more like Heirloom.

I think it looks more like Plum Perfect than the others.

Foliage, petals, growth habit seem quite different from my Heirloom.

Looks just like my Plum Perfect.

Plum Perfect looking more like the .mystery rose

Looks like my Plum Perfect, the dark edges on the leaves match too.

I think it's plum perfect. I shovel pruned mine because of the leave damage which looked just like in your pictures. Later I regretted my decision and bought another one.

Thank you everyone, and your photos of Plum Perfect are really helpful (and enabling) @Kristine LeGault 8a pnw and @SuSu CT 7a. I agree that Plum Perfect's leaves look like a match for mystery rose, as do its extra pointy buds.

@KJ (9B, San Jose CA): Thanks for sharing that you shovel pruned but replaced Plum Perfect, and I'd be interested in hearing more about your experience, and the experience of others who have grown Plum Perfect in hot, dry climates. I feel like I have a slightly similar love/hate relationship with another Kordes rose: Quicksilver. During the hottest days of summer, my own-root Quicksilver seems like it not only stops blooming, but also stops growing new leaves—and its old, leathery leaves start looking pretty tired. I figure that SoCal zone 10a is slightly outside of this German rose's comfort zone. But when it blooms, and the blooms last for weeks, I forgive its other faults (summer leaf shut down, no fragrance in my garden), and dismiss my occasional fantasy of replacing it with Lavender Crush. I'm expecting that I might have a similar relationship with Plum Perfect, but the color is a wow!

Consider Perfume Factory.

Well, here's a twist: I emailed the Rose Hills rose curator, Dr. Tommy Cairns. To my surprise, he got right back to me and said that my mystery rose is ... Royal Amethyst! He also sent me this rose map, which he said is in the process of being updated. The map doesn't include Plum Perfect anywhere in the garden. I'm sincerely puzzled, because I've seen Royal Amethyst at Huntington Gardens growing at least twice as tall as my mystery rose, with blooms that appear much more similar in color and form to Angel Face. Does anyone here grow Royal Amethyst?

@hugogurll: Thanks for recommending Perfume Factory. That rose does seem to do really well in the heat.

@Desert Rose (10a Sunset 19)

Ok, I think it is……… PLUM PERFECT! Woohoo!!!!!!! not Lavendar Veranda. I have both roses.

Plum Perfect, end of 1st season blooms profusely in fall…. blooms are clearly defined in English appearance…

My Plum Perfect, today, Oct. 19, 2022.

Sometimes blooms ruffled like yours, too! I have other photos of more ruffled….

Blooms profusely! Can get tall easily 5ft. It’s in part-sun/shade still blooming magically all the time!!!

Veranda Lavender is a small leafed, 3ft, well-defined English bloom, too.

I’m with you, Desert Rose, all the Royal Amethyst I’ve seen look exactly like a plus sized Angel Face, one of its parents. This rose doesn’t look like Angel Face at all! I still say it’s Plum Perfect.

I really like Perfume Factory, too, but I don’t think it’s your rose

Perfume Factory

Edited my post above…..I think it’s Plum Perfect. 🌺🌹🌸

@KittyNYz6: Your Plum Perfect is indeed blooming magically! Thank you for the gorgeous photos.

@BenT (9B Sunset 14): Your Perfume Factory is so beautiful, too!

For your consideration, here are some photos I took of Royal Amethyst at the Huntington Gardens earlier this summer. The color does seem very like my mystery rose, but the growth habit, single bloom stems, bloom form, and overall scale seem quite different. But could it possibly be the same rose?

@Desert Rose (10a Sunset 19) Thank you!

Look at the leaves of your Mystery rose-they are identical to Plum Perfect. (Not Amethyst, Oops.😊.)

My Plum Perfect Leaves (My leaves stayed fresher so more distinguished shape.)?

Your Mystery Rose, enlargened photo for leaves….(little burned black spotted leaves/trips leaves maybe,, so not as fresh the leaves, but I think same leaves…) Your climate very hot.

I grew Royal Amethyst from maybe 1998-2002, lost it, and never got around to replacing it. I honestly think the mystery rose has way too many petals for Royal Amethyst. I wonder if when Dr. Cairns says that their map is in the process of being updated, if perhaps they may have replaced Royal Amethyst with Plum Perfect somewhere along the way. I mean, "updated" probably means it needs some updating, right? I also find it very cool that Dr. Cairns is still around and is the curator of Rose Hills... he's kind of a legend in the rose world :-D

Edit: I also notice that the most recent rose on the map is from 2012, which means that (possibly), the last time that map was updated was 10 years ago.

Thanks, @KittyNYz6 and @flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA, for dispelling any remaining doubts. The mystery rose has to be Plum Perfect—and yours look like they live up to the hype implied by their name. What a color!

@susan9santabarbara: Great observation that no rose on the map is newer than 2012, and I did hear that Rose Hills subbed in a lot of newer roses around 2016. So they likely replaced Royal Amethyst with Plum Perfect. I did send Dr. Cairns photos of the mystery rose, and I'm realizing that he didn't actually say that my rose IS Royal Amethyst. He replied that "the rose is IDENTIFIED as Royal Amethyst" and shared the rose map. He's undeniably correct: the map identifies the mystery rose as Royal Amethyst according to its location. Being as familiar with the garden as he is, Dr. Cairns could easily glean the mystery rose's location from my photos. But being identified as Royal Amethyst isn't the same thing as actually being Royal Amethyst, is it? Perhaps that was Dr. Cairns' little joke, and I missed it?

So it sounds like what I really need is a rose identified as Royal Amethyst. In other words, I need Plum Perfect!

@Desert Rose (10a Sunset 19) The one I shovel pruned was planted in a terrible spot: all day full sun, in a corner of two walls, so bad air circulation and terrible reflection heat. I thought since it's a sunbelt, it should be OK with the heat. Boy I was wrong. The spring flush was very very lovely. But once the summer began, the blooms wilted quickly under the sun, also the foliage looked damaged and very ugly. I never figured out what caused the foliage damage, not sure if it's fungal disease, or mite/insect infection. I had it in that spot for 3 years, and it showed the same symptom every summer, and never recovered for the rest of the year. So I shovel pruned it. But later one day when I saw one of the photos I took in spring, I missed it so much. So I bought another one from Heirloom. Just planted it in a part shade area last weekend.

My experience with Plum Perfect is it's not that heat and sun tolerant, would appreciate some afternoon shade. But one interesting thing I noticed is that although the blooms wilted during the day, they bounced back in the evening. The petal substance is good. What I like the most is Plum Perfect has the longest vase life I have ever seen. It can last so long in the vase almost like fake plastics flowers.

@KJ (9B, San Jose CA): So interesting! Thanks for these details about Plum Perfect, and I'll try to plant it with afternoon shade. During a summer heat wave, I did see Plum Perfect looking a little fried at Otto & Sons Nursery. But to Plum Perfect's credit, it was still growing and forming buds and blooming in a black 5-gallon nursery pot after two weeks of 100-degree weather. The good petal substance sounds promising, and also reminds me of Quicksilver (which I really do mostly love).

@Desert Rose (10a Sunset 19)

Everyone makes a mistake at sometime, even busy important people. .If Cairns identified it by using the map, then the map needed updated, He didn’t really identify it by your ohoto because he gives you the map which was what he used for identification. The map defibtely has a few wrong roses because he said it was in the process of being updated.

One should rely on and trust their own research.

Double checking anyone can glean accurate results.

Looking at Royal Amethyst’s leaves, they they are different, more flat, than your photos of Mystery Rose.

Your Royal Amethyst photo of leaves, enlarged…

Your Mystery Rose leaf photo enlarged….

Can you see the ”huge difference in the 2 leaves?” Your Mystery Rose has large veins in leaves, like Plum Perfect.” R Amethyst leaves are more flat.

It defintely is not ”Royal Amethyst rose.” A mistake.

Those leaves and blooms belong to Plum Perfect. Looking closely at all it’s blooms….. I have had blooms in all those shapes.

One of my odd shaped P Perfect bloom…

Looks similar to your Mystery Rose photo enlarged…

Study the shape of the petals and leaves.

The mystery is sol-ved ( Clouseau)

Yes, The Pink Panther strikes again! Lol! Jacque’s detective work conclusive!

Definitely Plum perfect!