I think Palantine has updated their inventory of what they will be selling next season because I see Ascot!!!!
Black Caviar has continued to wow me
Librarian Ascot does get blackspot here. The blooms are very beautiful, but similar to Florentinas. Florentina is 100 percent blackspot free here. Neither is fragrant.
I am going to sell ( at some point) my property and I am only taking with me the top healthiest varieties. Exceptions made for some Austin’s I can’t be without like Boscobell.
Thanks, Dianela. Your sharing is helping me decide I'm okay without Ascot.
New Roses from Palantine - opinions on these?
What Roses have you ordered so far-2018 and want list
Help me....rose replacement list below.
Behold.. Biedermeier Rose
Dianela, I'm interested in what roses you'll take with you. I always need more beautiful and healthy roses to grow.
Also please note that Peter Schneider at Freedom Gardens has a GORGEOUS NIRP climber that I think is from the same series as Crazy Fashion: Easy Fashion :) It looks to me almost like Honorine de Brabant.
That's a beauty.
What does NIRP stand for?
Librarian - !!!! Soooo beautiful!! Happy sigh. :) :)
Aaron - I don't want a climber...but I am so tempted! :) :)
Meg - not really sure...it's a French company that hybridizes roses (Adams is the hybridized), sells cut flowers and bushes.
NIRP stands for Nouveautés Internationales de Roses et de Plantes - it's a French company that distributes roses and I think represents more than one breeder.
Kristine, I'm amazed that Forever Rose didn't do well for you - must be differences in location. Mine is absolutely MASSIVE, branching everywhere, thickly foliaged from the base, bearing Austin-like fat rose blooms all over it in a soft pink color. It's 100% cane hardy and one of those few roses I'm actually going to have to do a shaping prune on to keep it in bounds. I absolutely love love love mine.
I echo the enthusiastic responses for Crazy Fashion and Easy Fashion - totally striking intense stripes on fat blooms and winter hardy for my zone 5.
Carol, I have or have tried to grow all the roses on your list, so I at least have opinions as follows:
Lasting Love...for sure! - Good choice and cane hardy for me if grafted. Good rebloomer
2. Soeur Emmanuelle - huge and cane hardy for me even own root, and probably a monster grafted. Big fat blooms - wants to grow like a climber with blooms on the end of the canes so train them sideways. Would need a BIG pot
3. Bliss Parfume - maybe (any thoughts on this rose?) - I love this rose and it's cane hardy and an enthusiastic bloomer for me with good repeat. Can fade to white in heat but it keeps blooming. JBs love this one too sadly.
4. Black Caviar - maybe. Nah, you don't want this one because I DO (kidding of course) - I've been wanting to order this one for years and the pictures just increase the amount of drool.
5. Ann Vanderlove - maybe - Mine overwintered reasonably well and is a medium sized branching rose in a saturated red-orange. I like the form and it's a popping color
6. Julia - Mine survived for years own root and it has a lovely picotee edge. Happy to see I can get it grafted.
7. La Fontaine aux Perles - I'm trying to make the cut to get this one again myself.
8. La Rose de Molinard - same
9. Amour de Molene - same
10. Beverly - going to try this one again. Mine is own root and is hardy but a one-cane wonder. I think it would do better grafted.
11. Roberto Alagna - Mine has survived my winter and I think put out some blooms. Most HTs take a while to settle in so I can't judge one way or another.
12. Sidonie. If you like fragrance you really want this rose. It's by far my favorite of my OGRs and the most reliable one that reblooms. I have a notoriously bad nose for scents but I can always smell this one and it's a classic and strong Old Garden Rose scent. Deep pink and puts out an amazing profusion of blooms along long draping canes in spring, with good though less profuse blooms later in the season. I have a few blooms now in miserable heat and drought.
I know last year was frustrating ordering from Palatine but they are genuinely trying to improve their technology and we do have insane buying habits from them as the rose obsessed that descend on their site en masse at the stroke of the hour they release the roses. I don't think there are many independent small businesses that can cope with Ticketmaster type volume of purchases in a short time like this so I resolve to be patient. They have terrific quality roses that no one else sells and are willing to spend time with other rose fanatics talking about roses, outside of the feeding frenzy purchase season of course. I respect them as a business and as people so I support them as a business too.
Haven't made my drool list yet but I will. Thanks for the notice
OK, I made my list of 27 "must order if I can" plus another 10 maybes, which is average for my Palatine orders. The reason I don't have more on my list is I have most of the rest of the roses they offer.
Just thought I'd add a plug for some roses others haven't mentioned yet:
Acropolis - Meg, I really like mine and it's about 10 years old. It hasn't gotten as big this year as in past years, but it's drought season. The antiqued pink-bronze blooms plus cream reverse in a cupped bloom is pretty unique in my experience and the blooms last long and age well on the bush at least. It's really different from other roses to my eye.
Crazy Love, I love like crazy - it stands out in my yard, is cane hardy, tall upright and bushy and has knock your socks off bright yellow/apricot variegated blooms. You need this rose if you like bright unique combinations of colors
Garden Delight - I sing this rose's praises all the time and it's in my top 20 of 850+ roses and might be in my top 10. Nonstop orange-coral-yellow-pink mutable blooms on a 6' plus cane hardy bush that is clean as a whistle all year. Ditto on this rose if you like color
Mandarin Ice - this is a totally cane hardy rose in my virtual zone 4 part of the yard that is also vividly colored and a steady bloomer all year. Clean Kordes foliage with good branching and BS resistance. A rose friend came to help me pick roses to bring to our rose show this weekend (probably my one and only rose show I'll ever do) and she spent some time over this rose indicating how intriguing the colors were and how well it might show as a shrub. It blooms in clusters with vivid "mandarin" red (sort of bright coral-orange-red dusky color with light reverse. The colors blend reasonably well with the apricot-pink ones in the rest of the bed
Salita - OK speaking of color, this is one of the most vivid orange flowers I have and it survives in a harsh section of the yard. It climbs and isn't a very floriforous bloomer, but that's own root - grafted is likely to double or triple the blooms. Mine is usually cane hardy, at least 10 years old and it totally pops if you like bright color.
Out of Rosenheim - low to medium height very bushy rose pretty covered in fluffy red blooms most of the season. Totally clean foliage - more Kordes - and stays a more or less true red color without being garish. I have it in a mostly pink bed and it plays nicely with its neighbors.
Eifelzauber - mine is huge and has delusions of climbing. It doesn't bloom a ton in mostly shade but it wants to cover serious territory and in even part sun I'm pretty sure it would be a substantial statement of a rose. Cane hardy and clean.
@rosecanadian You know I love my Sidonie. It blooms heavily in Spring for about 3 weeks with a lovely fragrance, I get a smattering of fall blooms but nothing crazy. The blooms are a "cool" toned pink that tend towards (and occasionally achieve) a lavender color when aged. It is very thorny and tends to Velcro onto itself because of all the thorns, they're the kind that will make you swear when they snag you. For me it has been very vigorous in year 2. I love mine. I will update with an up to date bush shot soon.
Here it is today, basically the end of season 2. 5' wide and 4'ish tall, I'm training it along the short fence behind.
Thorns, they are bubblegum pink in the spring :)
I feel like you are all drug dealers!!! I was resolved not to order any new roses, but now you have me going to the Palatine website and droooling over all the roses I don't have but suddenly need need need.
I might try Nahema (some of you have been going on about her for years), Black Caviar, and the one that really is growing on me (maybe mostly for the name) is the Rambling Rector!
Cynthia, im so glad that the Forever Rose is thriving for you.
I knew that several of us had purchased that rose but I never heard any feedback which told me that it was probably doing well.
Mine just bloomed white and immediately crisped up and it wasn't even hot..
So glad to hear that it can be a stunner.
As much as I am tempted I think that I need to be done
I have zero space but there are some tempting offerings this year.
My two recommendations are
Nahema is one I've seen at Freedom Gardens early in the year this year as well as at A Reverence for Roses every one in a great while (that's how I got mine). If you miss out on the grafted one from Palatine there are backups.
Nippstress, Your collection is really stunning! Garden Delight is my top 10! Second year from Palatine and it has grown as a handsome 5x5 shrub. Super healthy in my Seattle garden, and I found it has a stronger scent than I thought.
Do you grow Roberta Bondar? King's Ransom and Buff Beauty's child, sounds so tempting. I always want to add a yellow climber but I haven't found one that healthy enough in my climate.
@rosecanadian there are a few sources for Bliss if you don't want to risk not getting it from Palatine. Can you get roses from the US? If so, ARE and Northland both have it:
and if not
Thanks, Aaron. :) :) American rose places won't ship here. And Select Roses won't ship anywhere...but, they do send some of their roses to Phoenix Perennials (and they'll ship to Canadians).
Cynthia - You found out what NIRP stands for. :) Excellent. Yes, I agree about Lasting Love...I grew it, and it died last summer...and I really, really want it again. I've been feeling (Chartreuse de Parme...if Palatine offers it again...why have I been promoting it like a fool? LOL) like you feel about promoting Black Caviar. :) :) I tried Beverly a few years ago...it just never thrived for me. Man, I sure have KO'd quite a few roses over the years. I was wondering if I should try again. But, since yours isn't thriving...I think I'll leave it. I think you have convinced me NOT to get Sidonie...long draping arms are not the kind of roses I like to grow. Just personal preference. I appreciate that it does well for you, :) :) and I'm glad you told me how it grows. Thank you! :) I really appreciate your detailed explanations of why you like or don't like a rose. :) :)
Magpie - beautiful blooms on your Sidonie! Thanks for explaining how wonderful this rose is. Your pictures really show that. Your 1st and 2nd pics show such exquisite blooms! And I'm glad you also talk about how long the canes are...I'm going to skip this rose. It just would have aggravated me. :)
Deborah - drug dealers who use our own product. :)
Kristine - I had Rosemantic Fuchsia on my list, but I took it off because hmf shows pictures of long drapey canes. Yours sure is beautiful though. :)
Carol, hum, I would be kind of surprised if Rosematic fuschia got drappy arms
So far it is a nice compact bush just loaded with blooms. I am so pleased with this one. So far I like it better than Sweet Spirit.
Thanks, Aaron! Good to know.
Rosecanadian I do think you will love La Rose de Molinard. It doesn’t get as much credit as it deserves, IMO. Mine is 2nd year from Palatine, and it is MASSIVE, around 7ft tall, and can get quite full if I do not prune back. I’m 6A in Columbus OH, and it does very well with the cold, it’s in a spot that gets a lot of wind. It’s a bit crowded, though, and I do get some black spot if I’m not diligent. The frangrance is one of the strongest in my garden, and visitors always comment on it. The blooms stay full, and tightly quartered. A lovely warm pink color. Some single, some clusters. Very quick repeat. I recommend! It’s right by my ascot, which is also huge. I most definitely planted them too close together. My ascot never has the deep coloring of Diane’s, more of a raspberry color. They look nice together.
Kristine - ..... and .... it's back on the list. :) :) Thank you! :)
Rachel - such beautiful roses in your bouquet! Thanks for the info on La Rose de Molinard's exceptional fragrance. I've put it on my list. :) :) Such an enabler. :)
BTW, Palatine has added more roses. Check them out. :) :)
Oh how I love that enabling is a 2-way street, haha. It might have been a different person who was considering Rose de Molinard, but I think the info is helpful regardless.
I’ve been stalking Palatine’s site for a few days now, so excited this morning to see so many options! I have many of the offerings on the list, due to their roses being so fantastic for me. Here are a few I’m considering, if anyone has experiences/pictures.
My goodness. I thought I only wanted a couple! There are a dozen here! I genuinely don’t know how this happens.
We're all shameless enablers but when you have great roses on good grafted stock what's a poor rose grower to do? I forgot to sing the praises of all the Rosematic series. They're all sturdy stand-alone steady bloomers even in part sun. Rachel at Palatine explained Rosematic Red as "Bordeaux that blooms longer and bushier". She had me at Bordeaux since I love that rose. It's a true darkish red and does keep blooming. Rosematic Pink is probably my best of the bunch but I wouldn't give up Rosematic Fuchsia either.
For Rachel, I wouldn't replace Quietness with just about anything. Quietness is one of Buck's best roses and it takes a while to show its true worth. It will just start producing steady reliable pink blooms that blend with everything and it keeps its hands to itself while bushing out. Eifelzauber is like a toddler (very BIG toddler) that can't stop sticking its fingers into everyone else's dishes at the table.
I'm also considering the new Verandas that I haven't seen offered yet, and Blush Veranda is likely to be as reliable and hardy as all of that series.
Rachel -- I've long suspected ants of ruining a few of my fruit trees, but have struggled with how to kill the ants without putting chemicals on my food! What did you do? I get ant colonies under my bags of bark/soil if I leave them down too long. Ugh. And, did you not like Quietness? Based on this forum, I got a Quietness from Heirloom over the summer. It's in a pot for now. None of the roses in my garden ever look like what Diane has in her garden..except maybe Rouge Royale...
Cynthia, I agree about the Rosematic series. I am in love with the fuchia. It looks ike I need the red as well.
Cynthia, I was intrigued by the new verandas as well. I only have Cream currently, but it was such an easy-care rose. I’ll need to look into these more. As far as Quietness goes, I don’t know what it is, but she just isn’t wowing me. I have almost no scent, the stems are a bit thin, repeat is slow but not awful, the color is “ok” perhaps she needs more time and more love. The Alnwicks she lives beside aren’t doing the best either, so maybe I need to love that area more.
Deborah, unfortunately we had to resort to chemical sticky gel and traps, a lot of it, too. The first general chemical spray did nothing. It was absolutely out of control. Thankfully this was at the front and the garden is in the back, but I know we have a lot of ants back there as well, as we don’t do systemic lawn treatments like most in the neighborhood, so they all just migrate here or something. Ugh. All of our beds around the house, and half the front yard. It was out of control. We went into it thinking it would be great organic weed control. I have no advice for fruit trees, I’m so sorry!
La Rose de Molinard(델바 장미)
Rachel - :) :) You've got a lot of great roses on your list! :) :) I think you would love Augusta Luise. Mine (Palatine bareroot this spring) has never been out of bloom once it started. And the fragrance is heavenly...wonderful rose fragrance. :) :)
Berrypie - what a beautiful rose bush!
Looks like I need another Jolie
Deborah, the latest scientific report, which came out today, on the world ant population is quite appalling. It is estimated there are 20 quadrillion ants worldwide. Another way of putting it is we have 20,000 trillion ants currently living worldwide. Bring on the anti ant gunk. Diane
Diane - my husband just told me that. :) :)
I helped your campaign, I just squished an ant on my arm. Now there are only 20 quadrillion minus 1.
Ben, see the seasonal thread. I have some interesting things to say about consuming seeds. Thank you for ridding the ant population of one ant. Now continue your service to humankind, please. You know what you said above is like higher math--infinity minus one. Diane
Well, I will do my duty to rid the earth of this ant scourge, hahha
I have lots of ants in my yard. But I don't mind. They never harm anything and they eat thrips. :)
Carol, nevertheless, after the nuclear holocaust, it will be a battle of the survivors, the ants v the cockroaches. I don't have anything against ants, either, and we have plenty. When they do their swarming, it's kind of gross to see them by the millions, boiling up out of the sidewalk and elsewhere. Ants are very intelligent insects with a highly organized social structure. I don't think they've harmed anything around here, either. So I take back my orders, Ben. Diane
Oh no, I am being sucked back in and the list is forming
Jolie Veranda to replace whatever it is that is going by her name and blooming pink .
Orange Veranda ( unless someone grows it and says that I shouldn't. I am easily influenced)
Thanks, Diane. I heard the ant report on NPR. Yesterday? Or today? I wouldn't mind ants if they stayed out of my house and didn't colonize the roots of my plants, killing the fruit tree (or rose bush or other plant). I think they like the little amended bit in a big gopher wire cage. Plus all plants in pots. So I've lifted the pots off the ground and started spreading coffee grounds, which is supposed to deter them. We've kept them out of the house for several years now. We have a system. But I think this is the time of the year when they're desperate for water and begin marching...
Kristine. I hear you about being sucked back in. I walked around my yard last night and realized that I can't possibly fit any more roses in. I have several in pots that I got from Heirloom that need to be planted...and only a few I want to take out! I guess I could just make peace with having roses in pots, but they are riskier when I'm traveling, as they need more water... But then again, if the deer keep eating everything, maybe I need to give up on roses altogether. Or maybe start a GoFundMe for a new house that has a fenced yard. A BIG fenced yard. Having said all this -- there are 3 roses I NEED to order from Palatine. I have a real problem, me thinks...
Deborah, glad that im not the only one with a problem..
Ants hate mint. You can use mint tea. Thats what I use.
Deborah, isn't borax supposed to be a good ant repellent? I think it's easy for us northerners to be all live and let live with ants, but when I lived in California, ants were a major problem in some areas. When I moved into married grad student housing, the first thing I had to do was clear the premises of ants. Next were the cockroaches, which I'd never dealt with, even in other areas of Cal. Not knowing much about those awful things, I quickly learned I'd need to have pros come and fumigate, which I requested from the student housing services. So the guys came in and fumigated, but of course, the whole darn housing complex needed to be fumigated--what a joke. So, I have great sympathy for you, Deborah. You may have that long growing season and little "winter", but you have insects that I don't have to deal with. In fact, the desert is pretty thin on insects compared to other wetter, milder climates. Diane
Diane, you are so right about keeping in perspective the difference in ant issues between different regions. I can relate to you, not having to care about ants causing trouble here, but constantly trying to keep them out of the house in California. I'm sure I'd take a harder stance if they were plaguing my home. Right now I'm battling the endless field mice that come with living near so much agriculture. Ugh. I used to have pity but I don't show much mercy nowadays.
Klaus Schwab would say don't let a good meal go to waste.
Magpie, you need a cat that you can let ouside for a few hours a day while you garden. They are murder on mice and voles. But, of course, our mouser is under supervision and never outside at night. This is in good weather. I know you have a dog, so this might not be possible.. We also don't want our cats to eat what they catch. Not good for the kitty. Diane
I am in a mortal struggle with some of my neighbors(said with love, we adore them) whose life’s mission is to rid our neighborhood of skunks. Skunks eat mice. Particularly in winter. This helps keep population in check heading into breeding season. Our local community page is now filled with posts of finding mice/rats. They will not stop killing and trapping the skunks. It’s maddening. There are a couple dens of coyotes on the adjacent golf course and in the OSU cattle fields across the street(we live in a unique spot) but skunks are key as well. You could import some!
Rachel, are you addressing Deborah? Because we have plenty of skunks, and coyotes are endemic to this desert area, as well as badgers, cougars, deer, and a moose earlier this summer. It's a zoo out there. Diane
Oh we've got skunks aplenty, plus the coyotes, bobcats, mountain lions, even a bear last summer! Not to mention road runners, fox, rabbits, deer, raccoons, rats, mice, ants, mosquitos, black widows, brown widows...thank God no cockroaches!
I'll have to try the mint tea...do you brew regular tea and then pour it hot or let it cool?
I have used Borax around fruit trees -- supposed to be esp. effective if you mix with sugar. Maybe that attracts the ants? But I bet ants can tel the difference between a grain of sugar and a grain of borax...I think Terra Ant Killer has as main ingredient borax. I use borax in the wash sometimes. It's like vinegar. All purpose!
Diane - I have NEVER (thank heavens) seen ants pouring out by the millions...just about 6 at a time. :) :) That would send me over the edge. LOL That would be quite the battle...social creatures vs. solitary insects that can live without their heads. LOL
Deborah - cinnamon also works (although it's more expensive that other methods) Wow...I had no idea that ants would be so destructive as to kill potted plants. I think a GoFundMe for a new house that has a fenced yard is a great idea...cause I want you to keep growing your beautiful roses. :) :) Have you mentioned which are the 3 that you need? :) I forget easily.
Kristine - I'm easily influenced too. :)
Diane - yes, good point. Ants and insects aren't a problem here.
Berrypie - so insects and mice. :) :) Nope. :)
Rachel - I didn't know that skunks eat mice. Interesting! Most evenings when I have the window open...I smell skunk...so it's doing a good job then. :) Are they worried that the skunks are rabid? Skunks need a place to live and play their part in the ecosystem just as you said.
Diane - as usual, I'm in love with your hills...they're perfection to me. :) I love foothills.
Deborah, mint works well in a couple of forms. You can grow it, peppermint oil around the base of your house. Peppermint oil on cotton balls and dry tea from tea bags. I keep a mint tea bag on my counter top
Ants and mice hate mint
And thanks for tbe dinner idea, meatloaf sounds delicious
In case anyone is still unsure about Crazy Fashion....here it is after a couple days in the vase. It's so super fragrant too.
Oh @librarian_gardner_8b_pnw what fantastic bloom on Crazy Fashion! I'm getting into stripes this year and that one looks really great! Love the bloom form and the strong fragrance!
Librarian - yes, very fragrant! Wowza!! Gorgeous blooms!! The first picture knocked my socks off! :) :)
Seaside - you'll love this one!