are you wishing to avoid ever having to prune them???

where are you.. big city name ... with a bit more specificity than NJ ....

since i used to have to cut my roses down to about 8 inches in my ground freeze MI ... so i could put rose cones over them ... well ... almost all my plants were 'compact,bushy, and neat'

and you could also cut yours down ever fall.. or late winter ....

if you want any given rose.. and you own pruning shears.. then what stopping you???

ken

Sorry, I'm not knowledgeable about any of the growth habits of the roses on your list.

Most hybrid teas, as your list contains, are bred to grow exhibition form blooms with high centers, having petals that spiral out uniformly from, but retaining their high centers, ideally leaving a 'pin hole,' in the center of their blooms, attaining classic exhibition stage.

Concurrently at the peak of this attained exhibition stage their blooms' outer most petals must be perfectly horizontal when viewed in profile, not unfolding downward beyond the horizontal which would indicate blooms which progressed past the targeted, ideal exhibition stage.

Since traditional, classic hybrid teas are grown for their flowers' exhibition potential, the bush forms are immaterial. They generally come rather leggy, having long straight stems with strong central buds, and smaller secondary buds, often with the ideal, one bloom to a stem, the hallmark of hybrid tea rose bushes. Consequently, the bushes are usually not shaped neatly or compact....with exceptions, of course. Keeping them compact and neat can be attempted by judicious pruning, but that can be difficult to achieve, going against their nature.

However, there is a range of hybrid tea rose bush forms, with a few having shorter, more compact, tailored growing habits.

Now a days, rose breeders can call any of their own bred bush's flower form that they introduce, hybrid tea, regardless if it fits the classic hybrid tea form. Cupped, quartered, medallion, and even 'English Rose,' type flower petal forms are seen on newer hybrid tea introductions. Confusing as it is, this is the original rose breeder's legal prerogative....classifying rights are accorded the original breeder of the rose, regardless of it's correctness.

Moses

I didn't know that; I am definitely not lookibg fir leggy or sprawling roses I greatly appreciate that because in description they just say bushy ir tall and bushy sometimes compact but sometimes you need avpicture.

When TALL is used in a bush's description, count on it being just that, tall and often rather narrow...say 5 feet tall by 2 feet wide....not necessarily a lovely stand alone bush form. Take a look at the hybrid tea, Memorial Day, a tall but narrow growing hybrid tea, typical HT bush form.

In the USA, very long stem hybrid teas were necessary for exhibition purposes. 3+ foot stems with a bloom on top, in an exhibition vase, were the norm at rose shows during the heyday of rose showing, starting from just between WW I to WW II until about the end of the 20th. Century. The exhibition hybrid tea flower form was the pinnacle of perfection rose exhibitors set as their primary goal.

Hybrid teas traditionally show the best, garden wise, in bedding type rose gardens. These gardens characteristically have rose bushes planted 3+ bushes deep (wide), and as long a bed as desired or space allows.. The individual bush has no poise, charm, or stand alone grace, but the density of the bed shows the lovely blooms, which are mostly at the top 1/3 to 1/4 of the bush, to their best advantage. It's the mass effect, impact that is the goal in traditional hybrid tea rose beds.

If bedding roses, especially taller hybrid teas, had blooms all over the bush, almost to the ground, you wouldn't easily see most of the bushs' roses. They're wasted flowers, in a traditional hybrid tea rose bed, the lower blooms being obscured by bushes in front of them.

Moses

So much knowledge thank

I don't know about the other roses but I just added Lady Jane Grey (aka Sue Hipkin, aka Sweet Revelation) this summer and she is one of the most beautiful roses I have ever seen. I grow all my roses in pots so I tend to try avoid the giant ones.

The habit is upright, but she doesn't get too tall based on pictures of more established ones that I have seen online. The foliage is beautiful dark green and healthy. The stems are graceful and almost thornless. And the blooms are the loveliest, most luminous color, and wonderfully fragrant. She really has it all. I can't recommend her enough.

Wow great,are flowers apricot and blush thank you-what zone dovyou live in?

Yes they are! Beautiful glowing apricot center with soft blush outer petals.

I'm in zone 11 so very different from you, but on HMF she has a cold hardiness rating of Excellent. Also there is a russian equivalent to HMF called Rosebook and many gorgeous pics with growers praising her over there too, so she seems to do well in a range of climates.

https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.28316.4&tab=1

http://www.rosebook.ru/roses/tea-hybrid/sue-hipkin/

I just recently just found this rose and find her beautiful but I thought I would someone that's planted this rose because sometimes you need a visual besides a description. I asked other individuals because when I originally asked this question earlier someone said it wasn't healthy and small with 1 ir 2 bloom so I thought I shouldn't consider it but then reviews on heirlooms/hmf were favorable so thank you.

You're welcome!