My peph peas are almost hip high and still not producing in that junky soil I won. I have thrown in buckets of decent soil. The plants are beautiful but not one flower out of thirty plants. It’s raining nice today. Temperature was 95 when I left church. Ac in van not really working. Drove about 45 minutes towards home and into a cold front with rain. Temperature dropped to 71. It was beautiful

Kim, have you given your peas any nitrogen? My Zipper Cream pea vines are getting rather large. I try to not feed them any nitrogen, but sometimes I plant them following a heavy feeding plant, and I think the soil may be a little hot for them. My Zipper Creams were planted around the 15 th or 20 th of July, they are starting to put on a few blooms, but It should be after the middle of Sept. before they produce. I should have the plants out in time for onions and garlic, which can be part of my problem, because onions and garlic like to eat more than peas do. Two of my pea rows are where onions and garlic grew for spring/summer harvest

Crop rotation is a problem for me. I really need to use some of my wildlife garden to be able to rotate properly, which I don't do because I am not organised well enough.

Life is kicking my butt right now. I have been trying to keep up here and have done a decent job of reading the posts but not replying.

It's all a blur, so I can't remember the exact day---but a few days ago I started bunching turnip and carrot seed. So happy to see the turnip sprouting. The carrots are being the ever-sensitive divas, so no sign of them yet. Typical.

Seed started in little trays and pellets are odd this year. This is the worst year for gemination and growth. Rick brought over 12 cabbage plants, so I put them in the kitchen garden tonight.

Atwoods had single cabbage plants for nearly $5 a plant. Nope. I can buy an organic head of cabbage to ferment at that price.

It is what it is. I'm so tired that I'm completely nonchalant about the fall garden this year. The only thing I really want to succeed are (is?) the cukes....and so far so good. They look very nice.

I DO want a nice assortment of lettuces, spinach and other greens. But...I want a lot of things.

I'm about to order new lettuce seed. My seed is old. Maybe the issue with germination???

For the herb people. I have decided that chamomile, calendula, valerian, and comfrey will be the focus herbs. I want to choose one other herb. A culinary one. Rosemary perhaps.

I ordered a special handmade book to begin keeping notes about these herbs....and will add to it each year.

If any of you have been successful with chamomile, please share your advice. It will be tough, I'm sure, because of our climate.

We had a really strong storm come through this morning. It broke Juno's catio. I head an insane meowing at the backdoor and it was her. We fixed the catio today, so she's good. It tore the shade cloths off the beans. It was really crazy for awhile.

In good news the coop door will properly shut again...and the cracks in the property are closing. So thankful for the rain.

The hen that I thought was in her last days, perked up about 4 days ago. I really thought I was helping ease her into her passing. The yogurt and extra rest revived her.

I was able to pull out a few dead tomatoes, clean up the herb beds and do other tidying up chores tonight. It always feels so good to do those things.

It sounds like you have been very busy Jennifer. My carrots started coming up in the rain yesterday. Larry I don’t remember adding fertilizer there during my first round of planting but I probably did the second round. By time I put peas there I forgot. They are big beautiful plants.

Jennifer, I am sorry life is kicking you, it seems as though we all have to take a turn in that spot.

Madge and I are planning to go Olive Garden today. I know that with conditions like they are, we need to watch our money, but with our health like it is we also feel we need to spend time together, and enjoy a few things, so we are going to make it a "combo" trip to Ft. Smith, to do some extra things while we are in town. We have gotten to where it is harder to spent a lot of time on our feet, so staying in town is to shop is out for me, and she can not shop long. I tell Madge to drop me off at the "Zoo", that is what I call the Food Court at the mall, you can see all kinds of animals (two legged ) walk through there, I just get seat and watch the parade. Of course I will need to stop by Harbor Freight. I cant think of anything I need, but I will find something by the time I walk through there.

I am not handling this "do nothing period" that the dr. talked about, this is the tenth day, I should be well by now. This is the first time I have ever tried this hard to follow the dr.'s advice.

Jennifer lots do people don’t think about plant starts versus cost of finished product. I ran into the same thing with cabbage. Two years ago I found 4 packs for $3. Best deal I have ever seen

Call me cheap, but you can buy cabbage seeds at the Co-op for, I think $1.59 an once, they were 99 cents an once till last trip to town, and start your own. If you have the room you can even make a starting bed close to where you want to grow the plants, then replant with post hole diggers after the final growing spot has been harvested. I find it easier just to start a flat on the porch, but I have started them in the garden when I could get around better, you can do almost any plant that way if weather permits. Insects are my biggest problem this time of the year.

Houzz hates me, and it's mutual.

Jennifer, comfrey gets really big, are you planning to put it in your spiral? The big question is, will there be cabbage available when you want it. Seeds, of course, are the most economical. But there's something about late summer - burnout? - that makes one procrastinate on seed starting.

I wouldn't be concerned about the okra, but I chose a different variety this year and I don't know if it's the weird year or the variety that's the problem. I still think it tastes better, but Ron just looks at me when I say that and I assume he either can't see the difference or prefers the others which are all selections of Clemson Spineless. In the past I have tried growing red okra, orange okra, Asian okra. None of them did well.

Chrholme, you got nice production there! Have the kids seen it yet? Maybe YOU should start some seeds under lights in the class room?

Have a lovely Labor Day!

Larry, life is just very busy right now. I got a little spoiled by summer--only working 2 and a half days a week. A lot of alone time at home. Things are very noisy and loud now. Things are chaotic. Anyway...

I finally ordered my own Roomba. Tomorrow is my day off, so I'm going to start with clean floors and baseboards and let Roomba help me keep the pet hair, grass, etc. swept up each day.

It's also time to put away my racks where I keep summer produce like tomatoes, and bring out the Kitchenaid.

A tidy house helps me rest. It's a weird thing, but it's true for me. I'm just too sensitive to noise and clutter.

I started plenty of cabbage seed, but (like almost everything else this year) the growth is odd. I don't need tons of cabbage but would like to have 6 or 8 good heads to make sauerkraut.

Last year the seedlings were much farther along. The broccoli as well.

My lettuce isn't coming up, but it's possible the seed is old. I ordered new seed this morning. I hope they hurry it to me. I ordered Winter Density, Red Winter, and one other.

Also, the cabbage Rick brought over was not so expensive. It was a 6 pack for under $5.

Amy, I have a comfrey from Dawn. It's planted on the west side of my house and has made a couple of babies. It is a tough plant. I set it there after the SF (can't remember which year) and left it for a year. It was still in it's little pot, but the roots had grown through the holes of the pot. I had to cut the pot away from the plant. This was years ago.

This is the first year that it looks rough. It's not dead though.

I will not put comfrey in the herb spiral.

I'm considering putting the chamomile around the spiral--at the base. Calendula will probably not go into the herb spiral either.

Amy, if posting on Houzz with your tablet is similar to posting from my iphone, I feel for ya. I rarely post from my phone because it just sucks. I will "edit" a post with my phone if I want to upload a picture.

I helped my Mom with some gardening this morning. Nice to have a day off to do that for her. Rick is coming over to work on his truck and maybe do some gardening. I'll probably continue to tidy things up out there.

Jennifer how do you edit on your phone? The iPhone is my only option and I can’t edit

Kim, my garden is trashy, but here is a picture of my Zipper Cream peas at 50 days, the longest pea pods I see are about 4 inches.

Here is a picture of another 2 rows at 45 days. I doubt that you can see any small peas, but there are a few at about one inch, so for me on this year I would say the 45 day mark is the time to look for peas. This has been a tough year, and I expect production will be light, but it is what it is, and next year may be worse.

I have a ton of work that needs to be done, and I get a little antsy just waiting, getting farther behind every day. Madge is going to have a day out with the girls tomorrow, and the old man may sneak out and work a little. I wont do anything hard, but I have to get out of this house.

Kim, at the bottom of your post is the "like" and "save" buttons. Across from those are 3 dots. Click on those and it gives the option of delete or edit.

I pulled a Jen today. I threw old seed into the garden and we'll see what happens.

Jennifer I don’t have thethree dots

You dont have the 3 dots like in this screen shot?

And it is an iphone? odd.

I am using the app does that matter?

yeah! Maybe that's it! I don't use the app.

I have problems with houzz also, but I think it is mostly my fault. It seems as though I have to post a picture differently each time I post, but I think my memory is the biggest problem.

Lunch from the tubs. Only the stuff on my plate came from the tubs on the deck, and was too much for me to eat at one time. I still need to do a better selling job on Madge, she must have Walmart stock. But, really she is starting to use my grown veggies better, she has always like my okra and tomatoes.

I need to ask a question. On the green onions, do any of you just harvest the top and leave about an inch of the stump in the soil to regrow? I was thinking I had seen a You Tube video about doing that, but it could have been something I dreamed.

Larry, i plant sets and just cut the tops off, my husband can eat green onions but not the bulb part. i usually plant a couple of big bowl type pots and put close to house. They will last a couple of months or longer - only cut 2/3 of top, sometimes I give them a little Mirace Gro to keep them going. Kinda like a pot of chives

Farmgardened, thanks. I have only planted sets a time or two, but none in many years. I planted these seeds in the garden back in spring. I bought 4 packs of seeds at Ace Hardware for a dollar just to try this in pots. These are some type of bunching onions, I don't remember the name.

I have grown onions from seed a few times, and did well with bunching onions, but had trouble getting really good bulbs from the others. I did better with Spanish type onions for bulbs, but like the taste of other onions better. I don't like the price of onion plants, but I have major problems with timing when working with bulbing onions from seed, plus seeds are getting harder to find locally.

Rick, maybe this year should be declared a disaster, and checks be made out to all who lost money on their garden.

I took out a few tomatoes plants today and pulled weeds and sunflowers, but nothing else.

Larry , I think that's a good idea. Crop insurance for gardeners.

Get back what I spent in seed anyway.

Rick

Chickens are on pest control

Larry, I use the onion greens and let them grow back. We used buy scallions at the store. Cut most of the greens off and put them in a jar of water on the windowsill. They'll regrow at least 3 times. Eventually Ron puts them in the ground outside. At some point they even bloom. You can do the same with bunching onions.

I don't see the 3 dots unless I set browser for desktop rather than mobile. I do, however, think there must be a way to do it in the app because that's what houzz is for. I don't have the app. What is happening to me is something interferes with my keyboard app when I try to post. It ignores my typing, or parts of it and takes me 4 times as long to post. This is a Samsung tablet and keyboard, but it does it on my Lenovo, too.

Thanks, Amy, I really want to find a good use for things that grow about like a weed.

Kim, I like your bug eaters, can you train them to do weeding, and cultivating too?

Larry, those bug eaters hated my onion, pulled them up or laid on them to make a dust bath.

Amy, it sounds like I need some bug eaters to help control my onions, I hate to throw anything away, I am a hoarder, I hoarder seeds, plants, and many other things. Last year I saved the onions I wanted, but rather than throwing the rest away, I tilled them in, and had onions coming up everywhere. This year I did some sunflowers the same way. I spent a god while this morning pulling sunflowers and tossing them between the rows to use as mulch.

I also had to repair the electric fence around the south garden. This time of the year it is often very dry, as it is this year. There is a lot of pressure on the gardens because there is not a lot of of tender green food for the wildlife, and the deer often get into the gardens. It I could remember to leave the fence on I would be better off, but when the deer get use to a fence being off they will often they get in the garden, then something will spook them and they will run through the fence

I am going to make cage to fit over garden bed and let them have at it when I am done.

A few areas that need help

1. Kim, I see a lot of projects, but you may be like me. body and pocket book are disabled. My body draws a check, but it is not enough to make my pocket book happy.

Larry I think now that it is cooling off I will be more energetic.

Kim, I have been trying to get out more also, but wife and daughter watch me very closely. My heart still seems to be misbehaving. Maybe I am expecting too much.

Hi Everyone.

The cold front blew in while I was outside earlier. The change was immediate.

I got stuff watered tonight and watched insects of all sorts. Trying to figure out which bugs are helpers and which ones are killing my plants.

There is a chance for rain. Rain would be helpful.

My new lettuce seed came in, so I got those started tonight. I'll let them germinate indoors. The last batch didn't sprout but it may be the heat rather than old seed. It gets pretty hot in the hoop house.

I took much of the old seed and just put it/threw it places. It will be interesting to see what happens with it. The old radish seed is sprouting, but I haven't seen anything from the peas and greens yet.

The fall cucumbers are growing well and are starting to climb the trellises.

And the fall beans look great.

The cat that showed up a month ago (during the Sturgeon full moon) is now neutered and has his shots. It's so hard to not let him indoors. We just can't have another pet indoors. He has access to the shop, though. He's very friendly and sweet. His name is Sturgeon.

Jennifer send that cool front down this way. I don’t mind at all.

It is really dry here, creeks and ponds are getting low. I don't have any cattle on the place but still don't like to see it so dry. I am trying to keep the north and south garden watered. I am not trying for a large harvest, I am just trying to keep the plants alive, they will produce a little when the weather cools off.

I am losing a lot of my greens to the armadillos. They are not eating the greens, they are digging them up looking for worms. The area that I tilled the mulch into the soil the greens are doing ok. I expect that tilling the soil killed all the worm so there is no need for the armadillos to dig in that area. The area where I planted mustard, collards,and radishes I used a plastic pipe to drop the seeds through the mulch, and, therefore did not kill the worms by tilling, the armadillos have killed almost everything I have planted in that area.

Jennifer, I am glad you are happy with your new cat.

Got tired of all the pests and animals destroying the fall stuff, so we went out to the river and camped over the weekend. Was about the best camping weather I can remember. Kindling and wood splits were nice and dry and the fire came easy.

Clover is starting to get rooted in and that will be all she wrote for the year. Stuff is still planted out for the most part and I have 10 ft tall tomato plants now. If they put on fruit, I won't be able to pick em. Plants and flowers are really enjoying this weather.

Cucumber beetles have taken out the canteloupe but hopefully the armadillos are done tearing up everything in sight. Just hoping to get a little fall harvest out of the remaining spring plants. Then get those sweet potatoes in a few weeks.

I went out to check my plants yesterday after my trip to the Dr., I noticed the Cucumber Beetles swarming like bees around the cucumbers and winter squash, I hate the things, but I hate squash bugs also, and it seems that I always have more than my share of both of them.

I got a pretty good report at the Dr.'s office, I can start doing some work and driving, but take it easy and try to do every thing with my right arm, I can get on the mower and tractor. Even though I have the Dr.'s blessings, it is too dry to do much.

I have not been out yet today, and I forgot to turn my electric fence on late yesterday, I hope the deer did not come by to check last night. The deer really like the garden better than the dry stuff in the woods and pasture.

We shelled 10 cups of purple hull peas night before last, the produce harvest has sure been light this year. We have a few more peas and okra coming on, even a few more tomatoes, but it has been a slow year. The winter squash harvest will be very light, I have no idea about the sweet potatoes, but I dont expect a lot there either. I expect I may have to brush hog the sweet potatoes in the wildlife garden, they are overrun with grass and weeds and the harvest will be light.

Thanks, Larry. He's a good boy. He's not eating much so I suspect he's going back to where he came from to eat while I'm at work. We think we located his previous "home". We thought he was left behind when some neighbors moved, but we were wrong. We're pretty sure he comes from another home in our neighborhood. They don't believe in spaying/neutering or vet care, so there's always litters of kittens there. Most of the kittens don't make it.

He is here most of the time. Sleeps in a chair on our patio. Regardless, he's fixed up now. Has been neutered and had all cat shots.

And sorry about your greens. Rick said he lost most of his in the Okmulgee garden. If the ones here make it, he should have plenty to eat this winter. So far so good.

Kim, it's about to get hot here again. They're showing another cool down at the end of the 9 day.

The coop door isn't closing again. It did for a few days after the good rain we got. We're still very dry here too.

Hwy20, the pests this year have been off the charts. I'm sick of them.

Found a new (to me) pest on the sweet potatoes. It's called an Argus Tortoise beetle....and pupae. I decided to just kill them all.

Those and the harlequin bugs were firsts for me this year. Hope they don't come back. Grasshoppers and aphids have been destructive as well. I'll take hornworms over aphids any day. If I'm diligent, I can easily remove the hornworms. I relocate because they're actually beneficial in a couple of ways. But whether you relocate, feed to chickens or kill, they're easier than aphids IF you check for them every day.

Honestly, the area behind the shop is battle right now. I'm staying out of it (other than using the black light to check for hornworms on the few tomatoes back there.) The amounts of aphids...and now "good guys"--it's just quite the war. The aphids have killed a couple of the native pollinator plants back there and are attacking the volunteer cantaloupe and volunteer gherkin vines now. Thankfully, the ladybugs showed up and those vines are covered with them. And another beneficial called a Syrphid fly. Its larvae are eating the oleander aphids on the milkweed. It's all very fascinating, but I would rather have monarch caterpillars. Oh well.

Maybe next year, right? There are monarch caterpillars on my neighbor's milkweed.

The lettuce that I started a couple of days ago is beginning to sprout.

The old lettuce and arugula seed that was thrown into an "empty" garden bed, LOOKS like it's beginning to sprout too. Maybe it's just weeds. We'll see.

The old radish seed is sprouting and the old sugar peas are sprouting.

And I cleared out old seed. Feels good to do that.

The fall beans are beautiful. The fall cukes are beginning to climb the trellis.

And so much more.

Rick put many brassicas in the SG and covered with insect netting.

I put brassicas in other areas of the property too.

There's so much more, but that's it for the garden update. My sister-in-law and her husband are coming into town in a couple of days, so I better get back to cleaning. Not how I want to spend my day off.

People know I'm home today and I've gotten a couple of messages. I know they want to come out to visit and look at the garden. They always do. This just isn't the year or the time. Maybe next month. I really love people, but Tuesday is my only day to recharge and be alone. They think I just leisurely walk around the garden--they have no idea. Anyway...

I guess we're using last week's thread this week too. It works for me.

Yep , I've lost most of my fall plantings due to the heat , being too dry and the grasshoppers.

Can't even get turnips going. I'll replant but I'm going to wait till conditions improve ,even if it's a little late.

Tell you what I do to grasshoppers when I catch them. I tell 'em to convert to Isalm and pull their heads off and turn them loose. ( They can't eat any plants without their heads)

Rick

I plan on picking some turnip green in a while, they are small, but need thinned. I ask Madge to experiment a little with them by putting onions, peppers, chicken broth, garlic, and a little vinegar, and anything else in to improve the taste. I like pork, but Madge wont eat it. I don't care a lot for unseasoned turnip greens.

I mix my turnip greens with collards , kale or whatever other green I happen to have and stir fry them with sliced onions and bacon. That's how I get through the winter.

Rick

Rick, I will have to try that without the bacon. I grew up using bacon grease like butter, but Madge goes by what she thinks the Old Testament tells you not to eat, so I pretty well go along also, even though I tell her sometimes that if God meant for you not to eat pork, he would not have made it taste so good.

I was going through some pictures and came across this one. This is my compost, and unfinished compost pile. I have posted about the flash flood we had earlier this year, and how it wash away a lot of my mulch and a lot of my top soil. I used all of this, except a bucket or two trying to repair the garden. I really need to grow some green manure this winter, but I will be short of space and time.

Larry I just remembered when I first got the bunnies I dumped some old manure in that bed where the peas are.

Kim, that may have given the peas more nitrogen than needed for good production. I think I have don'e the same thing more than once, not with rabbit poo, but with too much N. I never shut down fruit completely, but I sure did reduce fruit and get a lot of vegetation. The first time I grew sweet potatoes I did it big time. I try to watch the color of the vegetation more closely now.

Hi everyone! I'm actually out in the "everything" room today and so have access to the desktop computer. I never did figure out why I can't get Gardenweb on the laptop, but it's a fact.

Our garden at the school is doing so well, thanks to John doing a lot of watering and smushing of blister beetles. We had the same short okra that others of you had--but despite its shortness, it has produced steadily all summer. Now it's taller, but producing more slowly. We've got green beans, squash, and tomatoes going for fall--I say we, but my only part in it has been furnishing seeds and visiting. John had the brilliant idea of moving all our unwanted volunteer morning glories over to the fence (part of the 8' tall fence that encloses the entire Lincoln school area), and it's doing well. Of course. I also took honeyvine and coral honeysuckle in, and those are doing well--the idea is to just have stuff growing all around Lincoln against the fence--we have blackbarries there and elderberries--we'll continue putting both there--that should provide us with quite an orchard, right?

I saw this project for little kids on FB a few days ago, so we tried it at Lincoln with a dozen of the kids. It entails cutting the top part off pumpkins, scooping 1/3 of the seeds out, putting potting soil in, watering, and growing pumpkins in pumpkins! How fun is that! After they get to growing well, we'll send them home with the kids, if they want them at their homes.

Our yard needs lots of work, but we're both feeling pretty good since the heat has abated, so are moving around more. Plants have likewise experienced a new spurt of energy.

I'm keeping up with your posts, though not posting myself.

Wondering how you settled on those particular herbs, Jennifer--not disapproving, just wondering. Chamomile does well at Lincoln--that's in mostly sun and getting good water. I hope to get a stand of valerian going again--it's such a lovely flower. I guess my other go-to/always growing herbs would be basil, chives, fennel, rosemary. . . though always have sage, thyme, and oregano going.

Off to town--blessings to you all.

I saw a "hummingbird" moth last evening. It's such a treat to see them. I get confused on which hornworm they came from (I have both tobacco and tomato here), but wow! Super cool.

Nancy, good to hear from you. Glad the cooler weather is helping out the garden and gardener.

Hmmm....the five herbs. It's hard to put into words why I chose them. It's more feelings, I think. They each have a medicinal use that I'm interested in for current situations in my life. Valerian is a challenge for me even though TWICE you've given plants to me.

I'll continue to grow the other herbs like basil, oregano, mint, sage, etc. I'm just going to really focus on these 5 in a learning way. Study about them. Their history and all the uses--culinary, medicinal, magical. Take notes, etc.

I already have two chosen for 2024: Tulsi and goldenrod. I will not plant goldenrod because down the road, a plant showed up this year. It caught my eye a couple of days ago, so after cooking dinner last night, I grabbed some of it. I left plenty for the insects. You know how they say that a plant will appear either when you were just thinking about it OR you need it. I would like to figure out which variety I have. The Plant ID app says it's likely Wrinkleleaf.

I had a couple of moments yesterday to watch a YouTube video about harvesting and drying goldenrod...and clicked on the first video that showed up. And had to laugh. At first I thought this woman must be from Oklahoma.

1. She said she was native (but that could really be any state)

2. She had an accent that reminds me of southeast Oklahoma (or Arkansas)

3. A tornado siren went off while she was making the video

4. She kept on making her video and harvesting her herbs with the siren blaring.

LOL

Tom looked her up. She's not from Oklahoma.

I'm so glad the Lincoln garden is doing well, Nancy, and I love the pumpkin idea!

I won't be able to spend much time in the gardens for several days. Maybe a little on Saturday morning. Things will need to be watered, so I've gotta figure it out.

Guests are coming tomorrow.

I'm still rethinking my kitchen garden. A few days ago, I watched a video that really struck me. Jill from Whispering Willows. If y'all are familiar with her or with Jessica (R and R), you know the raised bed garden. (Jill's farm was Jessica's farm until they moved).

Jill talked about "efficiency" in the garden and how she was changing the raised bed garden to a garden of eclectic, ethnic culinary plants--because they love to try different types of food and she's enjoying cooking. (I SO relate to this).

Efficiency to her (if I understood correctly) is growing food to preserve and/or plants to sell.

But, she wants this raised bed garden (and it's huge) to be for something different. Something that she enjoys. All their other gardens including the high tunnel will be for "efficiency".

I'm not planning on turning my kitchen garden into this same thing....but I have been in the works of changing it to more herbs and flowers--things for enjoyment. Food too, of course. Efficiency will happen in other places and IF we need to grow all food, we can always switch to that.

If anyone else watched that video, is that how you understood it?

I don't watch a lot of TV because I can't find much on TV that I enjoy watching. Around 9 each night, I try to watch a couple of videos, though.

I'm at work and should finish up here so I can go buy groceries for our guests.

Hi guys, I read posts every day, but continue to have problems posting in Houzz.

I have those Grand parent books we just have to get together.

I don't think a fall garden will happen here. No seeds have gone in the ground.

The beagle continues to adapt to us. When we first got him we were going to call him Rosco, but he is now Rascal. He's hyper and curious. Likes to play with Sasquatch, and she plays with him. He sometimes does his business on the kitchen mat, but it's always there and easier to clean up than the carpet. We have learned we must put him out after he eats.

Laughing at the tornado siren continuing in the video. Maybe it was a test.

I have a whole day off tomorrow. What a dream after several weeks of working and running to Denton to care take. I am going to get up super early while it’s cool.

Not much going on here. It is too hot and dry to enjoy getting out. The gardens are about to burn up. The farmers are trying to bale anything they can to try to feed their stock this winter.

Above is a picture of Madge's new clematis, I don't know the name of it, but it is pretty, I am not sure it will get enough sun here, we will just have to wait and see.

I hope y'all are staying cool.

I'm still gnashing my teeth.

Rick

I started a new thread y'all.