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History's Mysteries-the Bourbon roses of Reunion Island
Comments (9)Here's what Brent Dickerson says: "It was, at some time evidently roughly around the year 1800 or 1810, the custom of the inhabitants of the Indian Ocean island of Reunion, then called the Ile Bourbon, to mark off their land with hedges comprised of, as Monsieur Breon, a botanist of the time, put it, "one row of the Common China Rose [presumably "Old Blush"--that is, 'Parsons' Pink China'], the other of the Red Four-Seasons [presumably the red 'Tous-les-Mois' Damask Perpetual, which was common then]." One Monsieur Edouard Perichon found, when planting one of these hedges, a plant which appeared to be a hybrid of the two, and which was subsequently called, after him, 'Rose Edouard'. Here is a description of 'Rose Edouard' written in 1828, translated from Prevost fils' French: "This was the first one brought to France, and can be considered the Type of the species. Canes long and divergent, armed with much-hooked thorns, which are glandular at their base. Leaflets oval, large, cordiform at their base. Ovary oboid-oblong, glabrous and glaucous at the tip. Corolla medium-sized, hypocrateriform [i.e., "like an antique cup"], double or lightly double, intense and bright deep pink." Evidently in 1819, Monsieur Breon sent to Antoine Jacques, gardener of the Duc d'Orleans at Neuily, near Paris, seed from 'Rose Edouard'. Five of these seeds sprouted in Spring of 1820, and two of these five "bloomed and rebloomed" in 1821. One of these two seedlings was illustrated by Redoute, who, as was his habit, gave it two names, a scholarly-sounding Latinate one ('Burboniana'), and another in the vernacular ('Rosier de l'Isle de Bourbon' [sic]). Here is how Redoute and his collaborator Thory described it in 1824: "Shrub, tall, vigorous, branched, bushy. Prickles large, hooked, wide, reddish. Leaflets 5 or 7, base rounded, acute at the tip, glabrous on both surfaces, simply dentate, glossy green above, paler beneath; petioles villose, with small sessile glands and tiny prickles; stipules decurrent, acute, denticulate. Flowers sweetly scented, many together at the ends of the laterals; pedicels finely glandulose; bracts elongate, ciliate, glandulose; receptacles ovoid, glabrous; sepals pinnatifid with subsetaceous prickles; petals 3-4 seriate, cordately notched, bright pink. Hips somewhat rounded, ovoid, red. According to the Duc d'Orleans, this rose [meaning by "this rose," confusingly, the *parent* of the rose they illustrate, as close reading will show] grows in waste places on Reunion Island. Seeds brought from there some years ago produced the plants in the Neuilly gardens from which our painting was made. It has a good habit, and the abundance of its blooms, sometimes almost single but mostly semi-double, and their fine color and perfume, make it a worthwhile adornment for landscape gardens." Meantime, Breon also sent, in 1821, cuttings of the original 'Rose Edouard' to the gardener in charge of the hothouses at the Jardin des Plantes in Paris--Monsieur Neumann." Supposedly they did have cuttings in 1821. However, Josephine had sent for the tea rose years previously, though she was dead in 1814. Cafres (it's spelled with one f) translates to"African person taken to Reunion Island to be a slave", according to Wikipedia. I got the impression it may be an insult. So the Plaine des Cafres means Plain of Slaves, maybe? Down the road is the Plaine des Palmistes, or Plain of Palms. It's beautiful. Up the road is the volcano. All the pictures I found show what looks like a cow pasture on a hill running down to a valley. I saw one bush that looks like it had red hips, maybe. Leafless. I found another garden in Hellbourg with defoliated hybrid teas with a couple roses on top. Blackspot? Now, If I had a bunch of slaves working a field, I suppose it could occur to me that edging these fields with thorny roses would keep them in. Of course, Parson's Pink China is thornless, and scentless. Its value is the repeat blooming gene. I couldn't tell from what pictures I found what sort of crops grow there, and its hilly edges looked difficult to hedge. Yep, there's a hole in this story you can drive a truck through. You can find the very interesting botanical articles of Jean Jacques Segalen by typing his name and Reunion Island into Google....See MoreOT: POTD: Mystery Plumeria cutting from Chocolate Brug
Comments (30)wow Karyn that Princess Victoria is beautiful!No I have not ask. Chocolate Brug maybe you read this and can answer the question. I have to read up to the color break. Is that bad when it is caused by a virus? Barbra I was told to stick it in a mixture of vermiculite and I use MG. LIke 2:1 parts. Stick it in...rooting hormone not really necessary. Wate it until it comes out on the bottom and not to water again until you see a sign of leave growth. Of course put in on concrete / driveway in the sun. Worked for all the ones I have been rooting. YES that is ONE TIME I LOVE Texas lol Lucy...See MoreDig up underground rose shoots?
Comments (5)What you have is probably a rugosa called Pink Grootendorst. As you have found out, they spread. If you dig them up, unless you get all of it, it will be back. You will have to keep at it. If you want to establish one elsewhere, get as much root as possible. Preferably with some feeder roots, but not all suckering roses produce a lot feeder roots. Curl it up in a 1 or 2 gallon pot, add soil, and put the whole thing in a saucer of water in the shade. When it starts growing, it has enough of a root ball to come out of the water and be treated as a normal plant....See MoreID'd a couple more of my mystery roses!
Comments (6)The fourth unidentified one -- the small red with about 10 petals appears to be Dr. Huey, which is a rootstock sucker, and should be gotten rid of. Yank it out (don't cut it off, that only encourages it). If it is attached to or near a different rose that is still growing, and if you continue to let it grow, it will eventually kill the other rose by stealing all the energy away from the plant grafted to those roots. If there's nothing living in that general vicinity, I would still get rid of it -- it's a disease prone once-a-year bloomer that is not worth the effort to care for it. As for the others, the red and the pink could be anything -- there are too many red and pink roses out there to even make an educated guess. Dig around some more and see if you can find more tags -- happens all the time that they are somewhere in the dirt nearby. For wild a__ guesses at the others, how about Rio Samba for the yellow-orange and Bride's Dream for the very light pink? Kathy p.s. Oh all right -- I'll take a stab at the other two also -- how's about Mr. Lincoln for the red (intoxicating scent -- is it there?), and Miss All American Beauty for the first of the two pinks. But that last pink bud's gonna hafta open before we can even guess at that one....See MoreErika
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