Outdoor Cabinetry -- Please help with Colour Selection :-)
I'm in the middle of an outdoor project that I've been working at since the start of the pandemic :P I'm at the stage where my roof structure is complete and I'm in the middle of building my PVC deck. My design and some progress pics are provided below.
In the pics, you'll see that I have a temporary privacy wall, but that'll be moved out 24" so that I can install a row of outdoor cabinets as a serving area, as well as an artificial boxwood "hedge". Both the cabinets and the dining table will have white/grey quartzite top (photo of the slab provided). My outdoor area is a mix of greys, beiges, brown, and white.
Question for the color experts -- do you have any suggestions for the cabinet colour? They will be metal that's powdercoated.
I was thinking perhaps some kind of dark grey might look nice like RAL 7016 Antracite Grey. In case it's helpful, these are the colours in the deck/roof
- Decking Primary Colour = Wolf Serenity in Sand Castle
- Decking Border Colour = Wolf Tropical in Black Walnut
- Roof Posts = Douglas Fir with Sherwin Williams SW 3001 (Shagbark) Stain
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Bryan
15 days agoI also forgot to mention that I plan on purchasing D.O.T. Manhattan dining chairs when they become avaialable again.
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Thanks!Bryan
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PROBeth H. :
14 days agolast modified: 14 days agohi bryan.
nice deck
is there anyway you can get some samples sprayed so you can see them in person, in your lighting?
monitors are fickle.
so here is the anthracite along w/some others shown w/your stone
I'm kind of digging the lighter grayish/blue-green color. paired w/the brick and decking, it might look nice. hard to say thoAdagio color?
against your decking, here are 3 other colors. what do you think of the slate gray? looks great w/your dark deck color
PROPatricia Colwell Consulting
14 days agoBryan
14 days agoThanks!
@Beth H, you always provide great insight on colour choices! The biggest challenge with the colours you show is that I could see them all looking good, which makes it hard to decide with so many choices haha! I don't think it's easy for the powder coating shop to do a quick spray, but they do have some sample chips that are already sprayed that I can go pick up if I know what samples I'd like to see (but it's a 45-min drive which sucks). I already have a few sample chips, but none in the colours we're looking at :P
If I'm going darker, I like the look of the Slate Grey (RAL 7015) and the Anthracite Grey (RAL 7016). The Granite Peak and Adagio are also really nice, but I don't know what their RAL codes are to determine the colour in the powder coating. Are there similar RAL colours you'd recommend? This is the webite for the powder supplier:
If I get an idea of colours, I can make a trip to pick up the colour chips to see how it looks in my space :-) Also, in case it helps, here's another picture of the Quartzite that I selected (in another person's home, but from the same chunk of rock):
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@Patricia Colwell Consulting, thanks for your feedback :-) I wasn't clear in my original post, but I'm not buying prefabircated cabinets but will be making them to fit the space. My Dad is a retired cabinet maker and will make the boxes out of marine-grade plywood, and a friend with a metal machining company is making the door fronts that I'll have powder coated. I could have made the doors made of Stainless Steel, but I'm not personally a fan of that look which it why I'm doing powdercoateded steel.
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Beth H. :
13 days agolast modified: 13 days agobeautiful stone.
see if the paint place can paint a few samples for you (just have it done on spare piece of the pywood they're using on your cabs) (or have them spray that giant piece of wood you have in that picture with some of the colors you like)
They must have some leftover paint, no?
I like the Slate Gray too.
As for matching the other paint colors, I'm sure they could help w/their RAL line of paints. I'm unfamiliar w/their colors.
While I like the dark colors, I'm just thinking about going that dark in that spot you have under the patio cover. With the shadows and the lack of light, i'm thinking anything dark is going to look almost black. But maybe it's just the photo you provided.
The other thing with going w/ith a blue/gray, is everything I see surrounding it is some shade of griege, beige or brown. You only have small pieces of that blue gray down on the deck.
down here w/the pavers the cooler tone is better suited. But up on the deck, all I see are the warmer brown tones.
Have you thought about doing a lighter color for the cabs?or choosing more of a warmer, darker color?
What about the Urbane Bronze? it would be dark, but it would absolutely match the brick and surrounding brown colors. (did we go w/that around your garage door?)
Can you see the diff w/the tones in the pics?I would have a larger piece painted w/the Slate Gray, or one of the other cooler colors you like.
Then compare it w/some of these warmer tones. You could go get a few small samples yourself and paint it on a piece of cardboard or that plywood to see what looks better.
Bryan
13 days agoThanks again!
I really like the stone too -- it looks different in real life than in the pictures, but up close it has a ton of crystallization and almost looks like a translucent crushed ice :-)
It not actually a paint place, it's powercoating -- applied to steel electrostatically as a dry powder then cured -- so I can't test it out on plywood. But I can certainly go to the shop and ask for colour chips :)
RAL is just some sort of German standard for giving numeric codes to colours. I don't think it's specific to the company, but such that if you're getting "RAL ####", you can be confident that it's the same colour regardless of who's making the paint/powder :-) It's too bad that Sherwin Williams doesn't like the RAL code for each of their colours :-(
You're right that that deck is almost primarily warmer tones. Perhaps the stone introduces a bit of cool tones, but it's hard for me to see in the pic and I haven't seen the stone in 3 weeks (and it's 1.5 hours away haha!). Do you think I should stick to a warmer tone for consistency on the deck?
The picture I sent you was the time of day without any sun, but it does get sun in the late afternoon and early evening like in the pic below:
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But with that said, I've certainly given thought to a lighter colour for the cabinets. I've waffled a bit between dark and light. At first I wanted dark, then I wanted light (and picked up some same chips), then I wanted dark again, and now I'm back to considering light haha! I took some pics of the four sample chips that I have, but I think the colour is being thrown off a bit since they were taken around sunset.
RAL 7040 -- Window Grey
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RAL 7047 -- Telegrey
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RAL 7035 -- Light Grey
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Prism K21179 -- Pearl Grey
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I'm not sure how you remembered that you suggested Urbane Bronze for the shutters at the front of my house, as well as the bronze colour for the Richards-Wilcox garage door -- I think it worked perfect shown below :)
Outdoor Cabinetry · More InfoFor the cabinets, the Urbane Bronze might be a little too close in colour to my dark deck border (Wolf Black Walnut) and the posts (Sherwin Williams Sharbark)? I think the closest I coudl find to Urbain Bronze in the RAL is RAL 7039 -- Quartz Grey shown below:
Interested in what you would recommend in terms of light vs dark, warm vs cool, etc. :-) If there are any colours in these two links that you think might work, I could go an grab some samples:
Thanks again!Bryan
13 days agolast modified: 13 days agoHere's a pic with the RAL 7039 -- uartz Grey drawn in.
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While it's a dark colour, I guess I have to bear in mind that it will have a pretty bright stone countertop, and then the dining table top will be the bright stone as well, like in the pic below:
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Beth H. :
13 days agolast modified: 13 days agoI actually like that quartz gray. how does it look w/the quartzite?
I think it's a good neutral, not too dark or light, and works w/all of your tones.
to bring in color (if you like those blue grays) I'd do some ceramic pots,
or painted containers.although, some copper pots w/greenery would look equally good
those tan RAL color you have listed are nice too. I think they all work.even that soft blue/green aqua color would work.
It just depends on what you like! Bryan
13 days agoI think I'm liking the Quartz Grey (RAL 7039) too, at least from what I can see in the screenshots superimposed on my pics :-) I'll try to see if I can get a Quartz Grey sample from the powdercoating company to see what it looks like in real life. I don't have a sample of the Quartzite slabs I bought, but I do have a small piece ofr a similar quartzite that I can use for an idea of what it might look like.
Thanks for the suggestions on other ways to bring in colour -- I'll likely need those later! :-)
As an aside, my two stair railings will actually be glass with posts/frames. Do you have a recommendation on the colour I should use for the posts and frames? Bear in mind that the dining table and chair legs/frames will be matte black. I have the six colour options for the posts/frames shown below. Third from the left is like a dark grey (since some subtle metallic flecks), and fifth from the left is a dark brown. I already placed the order for the dark grey (thinking that my cabinets would be this colour), but it might not be too late to change it. Do you think I should consider dark brown (similar to the posts) or black (similar to the legs of the dining table and chairs) instead?
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Beth H. :
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12 days ago@JP L,
I was pretty sold on the artificial boxwood, but I'm always open to alternative suggestions :-) The idea is to create a studded wall, cover it it pressure-treated plywood, and then cover it on both sides with the boxwood panels. I saw entire an entire wall done in the product at the artificial grass supplier and I liked the look of it, and it's supposed to be UV resistant. The version I liked it called "Boxwood Light", which has some yellow in addition to the green:
Whatever I use as a prvacy wall above the cabinets, I'd like it to be:- Completely private (since my neighbour's patio door opens towards that wall
- Look nice on from both sides (for my neighbour's sake :-)
- Block some sound if possible
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Bryan
11 days agoHi again! I picked up a sample of RAL 7039 -- Quartz Grey, and also a couple of other similar colours. I took some pics below including a house brick, a sample of the boxwood, and a quartzite sample (not my slab, but to get an idea of what white/grey looks like in the mix).
The RAL 7039 -- Quartz Grey is pretty close to the Sherwin Williams Urbain Grey that we were targeting and looks pretty good in my opinion! Any thoughts on these colours after seeing the pics? Hopefully one of these colours is the winner :-)
Thanks!
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Beth H. :
10 days agoI like both of these, but I think I might like the Dusty Grey a bit better! I think it really suits the stone.
Either work well w/the decking and the home colors. But if that stone is true to this sample, then the dusty gray may be a winner.
Honestly though, either will look beautiful. the shades are very close 
RedRyder
10 days agoBryan
10 days agolast modified: 10 days agoThanks @Beth H. : and @RedRyder!
Looking at the new colour samples some more in different lighting and positions, I really like the RAL 7037 -- Dusty Grey as well -- I think it's the winner! :-) Thanks for your guidance on the colour selection -- I'm a loss when it comes to colours, whether it's in a reno project or co-ordinating clothes, so it's awesome to get professional help!
One more (hopefully quick) question. The table frame is also being custom made and powder coated to any colour of my choosing as well. I was originally just going to make it Matte Black, knowing that the dining chairs will have matte black frames as well. But should I be matching the table frame to my cabinets (i.e. Dusty Grey) or to my chairs (Matte Black)? I've included a drawing below that kind of compares the two differet looks. The actual dining table will have some of the frame under the stone revealed as well (i.e. where the stone overhangs the frame by 1" around the perimeter) but that's not drawn in.
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