Comparing Gertrude Jekyll and Zephirine Drouhin climbing roses?
Liz Bell
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jjpeace (zone 5b Canada)
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Zephirine Drouhin
Comments (3)oh dear, this does not sound right at all. True, ZD can be a bit of a health risk but 18inches! Mine, on an East facing wall, in not very good soil, rampages along the wall, over the path and on to the pergola. Individual blooms do lack defined form but this usually does not matter since it is one of the most floriferous roses I have come across. Right now, it is throwing out vigorous canes with deep, deep burgundy leaves. Such a piddly little specimen can't really be rejuvenated by pruning. Usually, even a bit of competition doesn't knock it back BUT, my climate is very different and I think that bourbons may struggle with a long, hot Cali season (I expect Jeri will chip in here with her usual spot-on advice but I have to confess to being at a loss as to why you are having such a miserable response from this rose (even though it can be a bit of a diva)I can only think that ventilation might be an issue especially if it is well-watered but still mildews....See MoreZephirine Drouhin or MME ISAAC PEREIRE for FL?
Comments (21)Hi nik, I was thinking of Mrs B R Cant which is a tea. She gets big and has nice medium pink double flowers and is not a climber but she would still work. I may get her for another spot. Jasmina does look beautiful I like the full shape of her flowers. I will have to research on if she would do well here. I found these photos of Jasmina paired with Laguna...WOW!! http://www.mein-schoener-garten.de/experten/blog/rosen_und_mehr/2012/07/07/laguna-und-jasmina-kletterrosen Teas are new to me and I got a bunch of them this year :) I hope they work out for me here. We are hot and humid but drier in the late fall winter and early spring (unless it is a wet year like the last couple lol). We have a rainy season in the summer where it can rain almost every day at least a little, just enough to steam it up and make it miserable. ~sjn...See MoreEden vs Zephirine Drouhin
Comments (10)I don't grow the other two, so I can't make a judgement there. Awakening does bloom well if dead-headed even in its slightly shaded location. I planted mine in the fall of 2017 and it has grown and bloomed well, especially for a new climber. I have many New Dawn and it is similar in all respects except a fuller flower. We'll see if it's as vigorous, but that may not be a fare comparison as most of my New Dawn are in full sun. Obviously, Eden is a gorgeous rose, but it lacks fragrance (I think), while ZD and Awakening are scented. Awakening also drops it's petals fairly cleanly so it looks neat most of the time. When I saw Pretty in Pink Eden I noticed it held onto its flowers so I'm assuming regular Eden would need dead-heading for looks as well as re-bloom. Could you grow a couple? That's always my solution to rose indecision! LOL! : P.S. I plan to grow Zephy between a couple of my ND on a fence. I thought it was what I was nurturing, but it ended up I was babying a cutting of Dr. Huey. : ( P.S. You might also look into PIPE as I've read it has superior blooming to the original, but without that uber romantic colouring....See More'Zephirine Drouhin'
Comments (14)Thanks for sharing such a beautiful lovely ZD! She clearly loves your climate. I really wanted to grow her, fragrant, thornless climber that can handle shade, what’s not to love. But once I read about how badly she mildews in California and seeing the specimen at Huntington Garden near my house in such a bad state I decided against it. But I realized there was another thornless pink climber, Climbing Pinkie, and so I got her last fall from ARE. Here she is just putting out her first cane that you can barely see in the shadows. The backs of her leaves have prickles, but otherwise so far completely thornless and a light fragrance, although ZD should be much more fragrant. For anyone in California she has spotless glossy foliage. I have her planted so she can eventually climb along the cable fence between our yard and the neighbors and we will be walking closely by to get down our respective narrow 5 ft wide side yards, houses are 10ft apart here, so I hope she stays thornless....See MoreLiz Bell
2 months ago
rosecanadian
2 months agoLiz Bell
2 months agoerasmus_gw
2 months agoThat's a great Zepherine. Some differences between them: Zepherine has no thorns. Gertrude is extremely thorny.
Zepherine can send out extremely long canes and can climb a tree. It is fairly blackspot prone in my climate, zone 7a , NC, as is Gertrude. Gertrude has more petals. Both are very fragrant.
The color is off in this photo of my Zepherine in a crabapple tree:
It never has had mildew here.
Gertrude Jekyll on a fence. Tall growing laterals have to be pruned back.
My Gertrude blooms heavily in spring, lightly in mid summer , often when others are not blooming, and it has a moderate fall flush.
Old Gertrude plant:
If you train the canes horizontally they will bloom from laterals all along the canes.
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