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Thornless roses

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Hi, I am looking for truly thornless rose/s. In the rose world, I find the word “thornless” deceptive. Just wondering if there are any rose varities (not nearly thornless or a few thorns) out there that are truly thornless like zephirine drouhin or Kathleen Harrop. I am in the US, zone 10a. Thank you.

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