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Thornless rose for sprays of small rose hips
Comments (8)My Ballerina and Veilchenblau have clusters of small hips like that and almost no thorns. Robinhood too, but it's a bit thorny. Ballerina's have been very pretty. Firm shiney round hips, nice color. The local wild rose makes nice sprays (good color) but they're airier (hips further apart). I don't know what would grow in MI, though....See MoreThornless rose for driveway hedge
Comments (7)Hi Sophia I'm in Sydney too, but I'm afraid I can't come up with anything with your criteria. I will say that I've had no luck at all with David Austins - they all defoliated for me - tried around half a dozen, including Redoute, which is supposed to be a more disease resistant one. I am on the coast though, so perhaps more humid than where you are. I have grown Pink Gruss an Aachen (sold here usually as Irene Watts). I love the blooms, but recently pulled it out as it was so disease ridden. It didn't get a lot of sun though, so that wouldn't have helped it. The only rose that I can think of is Jean Ducher (correctly known as G Nabonnand, but sold her as JD usually). It's almost thornless, but grows to 1.5 to 2 metres. It does well for me, and flowers most of the year. Trish...See MorePlease help me choose climbing thornless roses
Comments (15)I think if you only get 3-4 hours of morning sun, it will be hard to find a rose that will bloom well for you. Then again, you won't know until you try. Does the top of the pergola get more sun? Best case, the rose will grow up to the top without blooming much, and then do better once it reaches heights with more sun. Off the topic of roses, here is a guide to planting climbing hydrangeas: http://www.marthastewart.com/1502837/marthas-step-step-guide-climbing-hydrangeas But they won't have a scent. For scented climbers, you could try jasmine, but I'm not sure how well it does in shade. If you are planning on putting iris in that shady front bed, I would stay away from bearded iris, which like lots of sun. Japanese iris are ok in part shade. Even better for you would be Pacific Coast iris. These plants thrive on the west coast in part shade. I have several clumps of iris douglasiana (a native pacific coast iris) growing in my yard in spots that get maybe 1 or 2 hours of morning sun, and they bloom like crazy for about a month in the spring. There are many beautiful varieties. Check out the article here. Finally, another flower that has done great for me in part shade is foxglove. There are perennial varieties that will bloom from spring into late summer even in afternoon shade. And if you want scent, oriental lilies like some afternoon shade and create a heady perfume throughout the garden....See MoreNeed advice with thornless roses
Comments (18)arlene I am going to plant the wooden fence next year, I have bands that will be ready by then! I am so excited! I have Crep (running joke about how much I love this rose!) Prosperity, and buff beauty. My neighbor on that side (south) is kinda a grumpy old man, but he does take excellent care of his yard. I think he will appreciate the blooms. I am going to run wire along the fence so I can control the canes better. I do have terrible soil in portions of the yard and have really been working on that! The tree roots are just something I have to deal with, but in the heat of summer, some shade is needed in my south Ga garden. Brutally hot and humid. The hurricanes and wind gust have weeded out a few trees for me, thanks mother nature, but I do have a couple we are going to remove. (on a wait list with our tree guy) They are old pines in bad shape that could possibly hit our house. We had one hit the house from straight line winds. We were lucky and had very little damage. We always #prayforthepines in bad weather!! lol...See MoreLife Vibes
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last yearlast modified: last yearI found prickles on underside of a few leaves of Annie L. McDowell in my zone 5a, but the bush is 90% thornless:
However, I cannot find any prickles on Robert Rippetoe's Bohemian Rhapsody. It has a wonderful sweet pea scent. Below is 100% thornless and survives eight zone 5a winters. Very drought tolerant with thick leaves, and even rabbits don't eat its thick leaves:
Robert Neil Rippetoe bred the famous "Miracle on the Hudson" rose, and he also bred 100% thornless Yves Seedling (pics. below). I found only 3 prickles on the LOWEST bush of Yves Seedling, but the upper stems are 100% thornless. The scent is most delicious of red wine and grape juice, no other roses among my 150 fragrant roses can smell like below Yves Seedling, it survived ten zone 5a winters (down to -20 F below zero):
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last yearlast modified: last yearMy 8th year own-root Zeph. Drouhin has the longest blooming period from mid-May to end of July. It has 3 clusters of blooms this July. Scent is fabulous even at 93 F heat. Below pic. was taken July 1, 2022, in 4 hrs. of sun. It repeats if pruned after blooming.
Below pic. was taken July 27, 2021:
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last yearlast modified: last yearJust got poked badly when I picked up a thorny branch of About Face (thorns went through my leather glove). Thornless roses should be made more available. I finally succeeded in rooting 100% thornless red Yves seedling, which is more thornless than Annie L. McDowell.
I bought the seeds from the breeder Robert Neil Rippetoe and grew these seedlings a decade ago.
Below 100% thornless RED Yves Piaget seedling is WINTER HARDY for the past 10 years in my zone 5a and it's drought tolerant, like its parent Yves Piaget. Left pink is Evelyn.
This year I rooted Evelyn, W.S. 2000, Mary Magdalene, Spirit of Freedom, Christopher Marlowe, Abe. Darby, The Dark Lady, The Squire, Augusta Luis, Sonia Rykiel, Radio Times, James Galway, Golden Celebration to benefit charities. But they are not thornless.I finally succeed in rooting only 1 of above 100% thornless RED Yves Piaget after 10 years of failure. It won't be available to sell for charities until at least 1 year. The scent is red wine and floral, YUM.
However, I rooted a few of PINK Yves Piaget seedling, see below, the scent is strong baby powder (stronger than Clothilde Soupert).
If anyone interested in buying THORNLESS PINK YVES PIAGET SEEDLING to benefit charities (Carmelites nuns in NY and Missionaries of charities in Chicago), message me. It's 100% thornless and very drought-tolerant, growth habit is similar to RED Yves seedling, but more vigorous for zone 5a winter-survival:
Below Yves seedling's stems are more thornless than Annie L. McDowell (Annie has wonderful lilac and musk scent). Yves pink seedling has baby powder scent, and Yves red seedling has red wine and floral scent.
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last yearlast modified: last yearI have 2 PINK Yves seedling available: one gallon size for $30 and one band-size for $25, they both were rooted at the same time in July. Five months later, today 11/13/22 one is twice bigger due to better potting soil.
The gallon size is more expensive to ship, $17 for flat-rate medium box. The band-size is $12 to ship. The size of the rooting DOES NOT matter much, it's the potting soil and warm weather & right fertilizer that enables fast growth once it's rooted.
It takes THE SAME cost and labor to root a tiny rooting versus a gallon-size. The difference is time & warm weather and the right potting soil & fertilizer.
Here's the gallon size pink Yves seedling with 100% healthy leaves. It's bred by Robert Neil Rippetoe in hot & sandy CA (up to 104 F). He crossed Yves Piaget with thornless Bohemian Rhapsody to produce hips. A decade ago I bought the hips for $20 to grow from seeds. I gave pink Yves seedling to my neighbor, and I keep red Yves.
Pink Yves turns out to be healthier & more vigorous than red Yves. Both survive a decade of zone 5a winter at -20 F. Roses can take extreme cold have deep roots to handle drought & heat. Pakistan rosarians at 121 F like the same roses that survive my zone 5a winter.
My neighbor planted the PINK Yves under a roof overhang that blocks out 80% of rain, it came down with blackspots. But when I rooted it in a humid bin, it's the HEALTHIEST among dozen varities. Leaves are glossy, 100% healthy like a Kordes rose. Leaves stay healthy despite tons of rain in a pot, and at 24 F temp.
My Red Yves came down with blackspots in humid bin. I keep it for its amazing red wine and grape scent.
The blackspot-problem in Pink Yves was from my neighbor never water it nor fertilize it. The blooms are pink, similar to pink Radio Times below. The scent is just as good as Radio Times. Growth habit is better at 3' x 2' since it's slender, 100% thornless and compact bush. Radio Times is a spreading & thorny mess at 3' x 5' across. If I move, I won't take Radio Times along, but I take thornless pink Yves.
It took me 10 years before I could root both pink Yves and red Yves.Pink Yves is much more vigorous & healthy; scent is baby powder/old rose. It's the most drought-tolerant rose with foot-long root that survived a decade of zone 5a winter.
Pink Yves doesn't have the mildew problem of Yves Piaget since its other parent is Bohemian Rhapsody (very deep root shrub).
Below is the band size Pink Yves for $25, plus cuttings of Zeph. Drouhin:
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last yearlast modified: last yearLife Vibes: I spent at least 2 hours digging a deep hole (3' wide x 2.5' deep) for own-root Zeph Drouhin, plus it's on a hill so heavy rain doesn't accumulate to rot roots.
I always do a "drainage test", dig down to 2 feet, then dump a 3-gallon bucket of water. If the water doesn't drain in a few minutes, then roses will blackspot. I'm 61 year old & 4'11" & 120 lb., so it's easier to dig a wider hole so water can spread out, than a deep hole.
I lost the pics. of my black gumbo clay that clumps into large cement chunks, and even vinegar could not soften it. Below are some internet pics. that closely resemble my sticky & heavy clay that broke 3 shovels. My clay was tested exceedingly high in magnesium, and it's soaking wet when rained due to poor drainage, but rock-hard when dry:
Folks here use a pick-ax to dig holes since the clay is like cement blocks. I notice that thornless roses need fluffy soil and fast drainage, so I put a huge bag of potting soil plus a bag of fluffy MI black peat (for moisture retention) at the bottom, then topped with my clay (broken up with gypsum for fast drainage).Fast drainage helps to prevent blackspots. For each hole, I remove at least 2 wheel-barrels full of rocks, before water can drain well. When the pH drops with acidic rain (pH 4.5 here), less potassium is available for disease-prevention, click on below to enlarge:
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