Can I grow lemon trees near frankfort Kentucky
laceyvail 6 a WV I live in Ashland KY in zone 6b the only reason it hasn't been done no one wants to take the time for the careful selection of the trees that it will take
Using flying dragon as ROOT STOCK has no affect on the breeding of your lemon. flying dragon pushes the lemon tree into dormancy and holds it there until it is warm again. Keep working on a cold hardy lemon but when you develope 1 that can go down to-5F you can grow it on Flying Dragon roots in ground and use seeds from that tree to push on.
But to me that is a lie to developing tru cold hardy lemons
cold hardy citrus
cold hardy citrus
howard Martin citrus 33
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I don't know why people bother here, Howard has no interest in anybody's advice and is determined to do it his way and only his way. I'm not sure why he asks questions when he has zero interest in what anybody has to say. Howard, why do you keep posting here when you get the same answer from everyone but still insist you can do better when your trees continuously die? And please stop posting selfies of yourself. Nobody wants to see you, post pictures of your trees.
Well right now I have no trees but I'm s see
Ken B Zone 7 the reason Yu are not seeing my trees is right now I have none and apparently I must strike some interest or they would not bother and some where some thing is being missed in the translation because I'm not going to us flying dragon and that's final
Howard What you don't understand is that a citrus capable of surviving -5F is still a subtropical tree and cannot survive over winters as long as yours are with out grafting it to a deciduous root stock. Citrus trees store their energy in there cambiums will deciduous trees store their energy in their roots, PT is the only citrus that is deciduous and will have that extra supply of energy in spring. Your cold hardy citrus will DIe. Without PT/FD
Than it must be developed apparently some where they apparently have the potential to to be developed to do so sorry we dissagree there because I understand what you are saying but no one is willing to accept citrus can be developed to handle winters out side in 6b but finding the right mutations in lemons is hard I guess that's something is not uner stood and that's on their own own roots we must agree to disagree on that part but we both can agree to find those mutations can take time and th are not common
If I understand u right I my as well breed The lemon with flying dragon and back cross with more lemons
Grafting on to another rootsock to me making true cold hardy lemons a lie because the seeds would not develop the true cold hardiness I need
Ponicirusguy6b452xx then if I understand u right to get what I want I must breed flying dragon with lemons and back cross with more lemons
What If turns into a Chmerea
What if wishes were fishes and the world turned to candy (about as likely I'd say). Howard, it's occasionally amusing (that's why I continue to read), but geez they're right. You're living in a fantasy world and apparently no one can change your mind.
Here's a list of cold hardy citrus, start there, or just move along and stop asking the same question every X days. Lemon is not on the list, it doesn't have any such genes in the gene pool so you can't breed for it using only lemon, or we would probably be pulling up lemon seedlings in Kalamazoo Michigan today growing out of cracks in the sidewalk.
If there were already cold hardy selections of lemon, you could start there, but it doesn't exist. You can't select for a non-existent trait.
You'd be about as likely to develop water-breathing poodles by putting new born puppies in an aquarium and putting a lid on it so there was no air surface under the lid. Expected result: All puppies die, because the trait of water-breathing is not existent in canines of any species. Admittedly some of their ancestors were fish, but I think they lost gills a long time ago.
Poodles are a type of hunting dog that retrievese small game v from water
Some times a chemirra happenns when a graft down' t fully take and then the plant breeds with graft
Apparently those traits exist and If they didn't the Harvey lemon would never had happened even though it's from unknown parentage I May have to start with that variety and keep pushing for what I want
Some times a chimera happens when a graft don't fully take and some breeding from the host tree And some separate and some where the host secesfully bred with host tree
The harvey lemon may have flying dragon in it's background, no one knows :)
This comes from hidden genes nobody knows about
There is no such thing as a species known as lemons. This is true of most citrus being a mishmash hybrid.
A genomic study of the lemon indicated it was a hybrid between bitter orange (sour orange) and citron.--Wiki
In another 100 years or so, the combination of selective breeding and warming temperatures may make a true lemon tree hardy in zone 6B Kentucky a reality.
Unfortunately that will be too late for me and Howard. :(
A bitter orange is flying dragon
Rusty I believe It can be done sooner but I must start with the coldest hardy lemons of today and push them for even colder cold hardyness nobody said it was going to be easy
dbrron see there are still some genes we know nothing about
Fun thread! Let us know how you do.
Partim they seem to think that only way to get cold hardy lemons for zone 6b is to use trifoliate genes but still think it can be done other wise are you with international citrus growers
Nope. Retired banker. Botany major way back when.
I know I'm different than the rest on this forum but believe that true cold hardiness in lemons are in the genes
That my be so , this is the classification of true lemons
Cold hardiness is definitely in the jeans
shown by this model.
My uncle had a fruit farm in Niagara, Canada. Mostly peaches, some cherries and a lone apricot tree just for fun. The apricot was the least cold hardy. It didn't die in cold winters, but most years there was no fruit, because once the buds had broken their dormancy and started to open, a late frost would freeze the flower buds dead. And in some years a late frost killed all the cherry flower buds too.
I was not talking about that type of genes it is in the genome of lemons it has get developed and expoliotesd
I have no access to flying seeds and what If the graft doesn't 'fully take then the lemons and flying dragon will breed to each other
No They won't. The grafted tree will die instead.
You mean they won't turn into a chimera
That is what I mean by not fully taking effect
Citrus chimeras are extremely rare, despite the common practice of grafting. It is not the result of a failed graft. Let us know if you produce one!
When that happens is partial rejection the graft
While I wish you luck with your endevour, I agree with others sentiments. Even in central florida which is citrus country, citrus can sometimes be setback by freezes, this is why they cant be reliably grown in north florida. Lets say hypothetically you could get a lemon to survive it still would never produce fruit because of the cold and freezes. The only reliable way that you could ever grown one there is through genetic engineering and that is an entirely different can of worms.
Selective breeding is genetic engineering and I still believe it possible to get the fruit up here but my selections will have to be with the most cold hardy varieties I can find and cross them
The farm will be moved to Ashland Kentucky
Can I get cold hardy lemons by selective breeding
Howard, are you tired of spamming the forum?
I think Howard just loves the interactions and the friends he's made here. Who can blame him? Probably lonely and there are good people here. Therefore the reason his threads get this long. Good for him)
he's not afraid to dream and even post pics of himself.
Good to see you are well and still dreaming Howard.
It true I'm a lonely man but I honestly right now I have no trees to show and i'm not kidding but I don't do anything for attention like you think
Alex [azu9()yandex.com] I'm not spamming the forum I'm trying to be honest
@Howard Martin you're not the first (or the last) person on Houzz to stick to your original ideas even though other people disagree with you. It's much more common than the reverse. And it's not "spam" to post to your own thread.
I'm one of a kind that is clear but with my choices are very limited and I might have to get. Some of my lemons from other supermarkets Besides Kroger so I can have a better selection of the genes and bigger genes pool