What rose is this? Could it be Reine des Violetes?
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Comments (33)Vintage Gardens, to me, is more trusted with the identity of their antiques because they continue to investigate what they have, compare to old records, and have no problem issuing their identification as tentative by placing the name in double quotes. Tammy posted pics of hers, and that is the "thornless RdV" I remember from another nursery -- dull green color to the stems, leaves wider and more rounded, tapering suddenly. Tammy first said hers had thorns, then took the pics and came back saying what she thought were thorns were merely small bumps. My band is just as prickly as a typical Gallica -- no one seeing it would remark about its "smooth canes" because they're not. That's not what I would call the same "a few thorns" as found on Tammy's band -- I can't put my finger on the stem without touching a prickle. The first reference on HMF for RdV is clearly a translation from the French (as noted by both the French title and the text's awkward English). I would much prefer to read the original and translate it myself. It's very likely that the "also the prickles of the branches" which follows a semicolon (which denotes a separation of the second clause from the first, such that it could be its own sentence if grammatically correct, and that the translation isn't makes me wonder about the accuracy of the translation) is not connected to the comment about "red stipules..." It could very well be that missing from the translation is a negative, turning that last bit into a comment about "also the lack of prickles of the branches" which is less awkward of a clause than "also the prickles of the branches." But I can't tell for sure without reading the original French. Be careful about taking an awkward translation as gospel just because it's the oldest. If several descriptions beginning merely a year later describe the plant as without (or almost without) prickles, I'd take that over the claim that the first description (as translated on HMF) is noting "red prickles" which I really don't get even in that awkward translation -- the semicolon would not be used if the "prickles of the branches" were red like the stipules. A comma would be. Also remember that considering the time for a book to come out in print during those years that close together, it's very likely that both authors were writing without seeing the works of the others. Thus the descriptions are better trusted to be based upon actual inspection, rather than copy-and-paste from other authors -- because there wouldn't have been time to read the first description and write it again in a book coming out a year or two later. Ultimately, RdV has had notes in her description over the years about her relative thornlessness. The band which I received would not be called "thornless" any more than many other roses I've seen which never acquired that adjective in their description. Sure, my plant isn't overly thorny, and its prickles are small, but they are not sparse enough for me (or anyone else seeing it for the first time) to say "my, that rose is thornless." But others seeing the real RdV over the years have. That's why I don't think this one is the "real" one, and the one I grew previously (and gave as a gift) was. :-) ~Christopher...See MoreReine Victoria and Reine des Violettes bloom time
Comments (15)I think the single, most beautiful display I've ever seen on any rose may have been years ago, on a 'Reine des Violettes" that we pegged, nearly flat to the ground, with just enough arch to prevent the canes' snapping. It was astonishing when it flowered. Hundreds of closely-packed flowers. On the other hand, we've never done it again, because after that flower flush, the structure of the plant was a mess, and we pruned at it for a long time to make it "normal" again. And it was a lot of work to peg it in the first place. Nowadays, we grow it as an untrained, unsupported bush, which easily reaches 6-7' tall by nearly as wide in a season. We do prune it fairly hard, especially for height, in the spring. We get a major bloom flush in the spring, then a few flowers here and there all summer, then another heftier flush in the fall. It then continues with a few flowers through the winter, until we prune, usually late February or early March. (this is in Lakeland Florida) Malcolm...See MoreReine des Violettes rose is pink July 9
Comments (7)Kathy, yes, it can be QUITE variable due to heat, intensity of light, alkalinity/acidity, probably much like a Ficus Benjamina...if it doesn't like the color of your blouse, it will change. Here in the SoCal mid desert, the purple colors depended upon perfect temperatures and MUCH amending of the soil to acidify conditions from our highly alkaline ones. Having it throw pink (or even white) flowers isn't odd for this rose. Check your acidity and increase it if it's more toward the alkaline range. You'll have MUCH better purple tones from it if you do, and the temps go back down into her comfort range. Kim...See MoreWill Reine des Violettes Succeed Here?
Comments (35)Ingrid, I thought Marchesa was a Portland, too, but HMF, ARE and RVR all list her as HP, so who knows. Whatever she is, I do like her a lot. Buford, IâÂÂve been following your posts about the yard âÂÂdigâ and can imagine itâÂÂs a muddy mess with all these storms. Mine is a gushy nightmare even without being dug up. Thank goodness I havenâÂÂt put out my fall seeds yet or my neighbors downhill would be growing some pretty poppies and stock next year :) And evidently all the work weâÂÂve done to correct the basement flooding issue hasnâÂÂt worked! Our conditions should be about the same, so I think Marchesa would do well for you and maybe a RdV from a different source would do better, as well. Mine from ARE is the thornless one. I top dressed her with manure and mulched with pine straw when I planted her, but havenâÂÂt given her any special treatment. Her foliage has been good, and she has been a better bloomer than I expected for a first year rose with questionable rebloom reports from others. SheâÂÂs not lighting the world on fire with her prolific blooming by any means, but after her spring flush, she has given me a handful of beautiful, smelly purple blooms about once a month. I was worried about planting her in full sun, but didnâÂÂt have a part shade spot available. SheâÂÂs handled the sun just fine and maybe thatâÂÂs what is helping her to rebloom. No radiated heat in her spot like Ingrid has, though, and different soil, plenty of rainfall & humidity that IngridâÂÂs climate doesnâÂÂt give her either....See More
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last yearI had to treat my RdV this week because it looks pale and chlorotic. Here it is not yet blooming before iron and sulfur Mg treatment.
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They opened more today. I'd say moderate strong old rose fragrance.
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last year@KittyNYz6 i have a young Yolande, too. The bush is more of an upright grower like in Sheila's picture (but mine is much smaller as it was a band last year). You can see how my not RdV sprawls. The sepals of Yolande are also much frillier as seen on this photo.
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last yearlast modified: last yearHi, Librarian,
I am still researching more trying to find out what rose you have?
UPDATES…. Paul Barden is correct about RdV-love his website & description of it!——————————————————————
My recent garden photos RdV from Antique Rose Emporium, yesterday below…..: It’s a newbie-only 1 foot tall bush just planted & these are morning & afternoon photos in same day: I think it will have twice the size blooms as it grows to 6-8 ft.
My sm RdV bud photos…. & leaves little yellow…. Im fertilizing again on Friday….I am going to purchase more new rich soil/& cow nanure, too.
I didnt take a lot of bud photos but your buds are the best!And a few earlier spring photos of her first sm bloom in my garden…
COLORS: Starts as a rosy pink… then fades to violettes depending on how much sun it gets!librarian_gardner_8b_pnw thanked KittyNYz6librarian_gardner_8b_pnw
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last yearlast modified: last yeari see Heirloom had the wrong photo-for RdV-could be clerical error, but may have sold the right RdV rose-we dont know. As I have always received good service from them otherwise.
I do not see any difference in your description & librarian’s rose photos whose last photos finished lilac color. UPDATE: After looking at Pauls’s website w/RdV photo/description I see the differences between Librarian’s rose & Reine des Violettes!
Today it’s sunny & my rose color fading fast but RdV opened fully….
Again-My Reine des Violettes from ARE:
It’s a small bloom as rose is only 1 ft tall newbie just planted-but I see lighter in middle & around edges of petals. Usually rose shape is off when a rose is so small. Does look different in shape-maybe color too-than librarians?Does my rose look as it should be RdV? It’s from ARE. I see your RdV rose on website is so deep purple/white center.
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Here's two photos from this morning. It's about 3.5 inches fully open. I think my blooms are more petal packed than the photos of the real RdV and I don't see the fade to white.
In took last night's pictures in dusk conditions which made everything look more purplish.I don't see a visible button in my photos like I see in Kitty's.
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last yearlast modified: last yearYour rose is really spectacular anyway! Maybe Ardoisee de Lyon-buds look similar & color? I think Paul is right, again! I see a lot of photos on Garden.org look like your rose photos-Ardoisee de Lyon? Look at A Reverence for Roses’ Ardoisee de Lyon photo…. roses in vase…..I see it has many more petals than RdV, Ardoisee dL fades from crimson to pink to-violet-looks so much like your mystery rose!!!
Androisee de Lyon rose
A Reverence for Roses, photo
Heirloom Roses’ photo
National Garden Assoc. photo
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last yearlast modified: last yearAs my Reine des Violettes blooms fade to light lilac…. I really see the white centers, characteristic of RdV….
a few more photos…. blooms eventually will be 3.1 “ diameters, rain drizzled all day on roses!And few more photos…
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