How do you deal with the detergent left in the caps in a FL machine?
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Whats the deal with HE Detergent?
Comments (11)cynic, I don't think HE machines have existed for decades. I have a bunch of old CR magazines here. The July 1997 washing machine test includes the Frigidaire FWT445GE, a front-loader which used 34 gallons max per cycle, compared to top-loaders ranging from 37 to 46. It probably sloshed the clothes through a pool of water "laundromat-style", not the same situation as today's HE FL's. Wisk offered a special low-sudsing detergent for FL's, not called "HE", available only by mail. Tide HE was "due in stores soon", maybe getting ready for the true HE machines soon to appear on the market. An Asko was also tested; it used 21 gallons, but was a much smaller machine. OK, some credible people here use non-HE detergents in their FL's (are there non-credible people, e.g. trolls in this forum? I haven't noticed any). But like you said, everyone's environment is different. And people's priorities differ too. Some are happy to be able to buy an inexpensive non-HE detergent, multiply the savings by cutting the dosage, and get results that satisfy them. Others aren't as price-sensitive. According to the cleaning101 link, a true HE detergent is one with the HE swirl logo. Naive or not, my common sense tells me: 1) HE washing process is indeed different enough to require a different product (apparently you think the redeposition-protection feature is just a sham); 2) If HE and regular detergents were the same, they wouldn't sell different varieties, rather they'd simplify shipping and inventory by selling a universal formulation. But if you have some industry inside knowledge you can share (without them coming after you :-)) please do so. "Start by following your washer manufacturer's directions" is a blanket statement, but a legitimate one IMO. My LG said to use half of the amount recommended on the HE detergent package. Miele says to use the recommended amount. If results aren't good, many of the manuals include troubleshooting charts. As for agitator TL vs. FL (Miele) cleaning ability, is it naive to believe my own eyes? Results in FL with Sears detergent are far far better, in appearance and smell and feel, than in agitator TL with top-rated Tide detergent....See MoreReally essential to use HE detergent with a FL?
Comments (16)Been using a Bosch Nexxt 3yrs now, and running strong. I use powder cheer for colors, shirts, jeans, and colored towels and have been quite happy with it. I use tide HE for the whities and really grimmy stuffs. I will some times use clorox2 for some loads and only use LCB for dish rags and cleaning rags. Back in the early 90's I use to use double power surf liquid in my T/L's. It did a great job. I kept a small box of cheer with color guard around for nice shirts only. One day by accident I put cheer in the tidy whity load and was surprised at the results. Since then I have tryed other brands and flavors and keep comming back to the same old cheer. Ive heard arguments for/against powder and liquid for both dishwasher and laundry. As for the laundry the only evidence i've found against liquid is, it seems alot of people that use liquid do all or almost all cold washing. I ve seen the evidence of this in machines. Smells, mildew etc.. As for the dishwasher, I see alot of problems with the liquid/gels. It seems to be worse with maytags and frigidaires. Its seems most of todays low water using dishwashers dont or cant get rid of all the detergent and I see a build up in the pumps. Personaly speaking I have found the liquids didnt clean very well for me. I currently use cascade "pure rinse" Of course brand, model, water conditions, and settings all play a part. One other note on dish detergents, the shelf life of dishwasher detergent is very short. Usally about 1yr. Most stores are good about rotating stock, but when it goes on sale alot of people like to stock up. With dishwasher detergent this is not a good thing. Usally half way thru that "bargin buy" the shelf life has expired. This seems to be a bigger problem with powders. Just my .02 cents...See MoreHow do you estimate amount of detergent for FL?
Comments (7)No extra points are given for following the printed guides on the box or the plastic cup. The only purpose of washing is getting clean, sweet stuff at the end of the day. Use a quarter or half of what you've been using and see if you get clean clothes. If not, increase. Repeat as necessary. But if you do get clean stuff try decreasing, again, until you stop getting good cleaning. Then increase enough to get back to good cleaning and you're done. Use measuring spoons, not the scoop from the box, for accuracy because the larger scoops will pack down as you try to adjust the amount in smaller fractions. Once you know the best "standard dose" for your stuff, machine and water, then look around for a single little scoop that is exactly the right size so it's easy just dip and dump. Don't try to arrive at the right dose by just eyeballing it. And write down what dosage you've tried for each load during the testing phase. That way you won't have to keep rehashing it. It's faster, in the long run. If you see that your regular product has come out in a "new, improved" formula, remember that you may need to recalibrate the dosage all over again. Be thoughtful about your wash, if you've got an unusually large, or dirty, load then add a bit more detergent, water, temperature, time, intensity of wash, extra rinse or pre-wash/pre-soak (either one of these items or any combination you fancy) to meet the challenge. Worst case scenario with aiming for using the minimum amount of product is that occasionally you have to reprocess something. That's annoying but less of a pain than over-dosing every single load and having to deal with the consequences of that. And also keep in mind that if you suddenly begin washing stuff that hasn't been constantly under your regimen (guests' stuff, just home from college loads, GoodWill finds, etc.) you may have to wash out all kinds of excess product before it settles down again. HTH, Molly~...See MoreBest detergent for our new FL washer?
Comments (63)evegiven0, Darks are hard if one wants to keep them dark and remove grunginess. We just haven't come up with a perfect solution yet. Cheer only has the one enzyme as you've mentioned and a tiny bit of oxygen bleach--not enough to clean, just enough to denute chlorine in the water, so I tend to do the pre-wash, which usually cleans well. But when it's going to be *really* grungy laundry, I'll do things a little different. I'll use Tide liquid with Clorox 2 powder in a pre-wash with lengthy soak. Pre-mix in warm water for the Clorox 2 powder though, as it does have oxygen bleach and while it says it's safe for colors, it has left a splotch on colors for me in the past. But, this formula is my ace in the hole. Between the two products, the pre-wash and soak, then a main wash, I have had every grungy item come out spotless and odorless, minus an occassional faded spot--yes, darks can be a challenge at times. So if it's filthy darks that you wouldn't mind of if a splotch did happen, this works over here. I probably would omit the Clorox 2 powder if this was cherished darks. I haven't had much success with liquid Clorox 2. Some people really like it, but here, it doesn't give me reason to add it to my laundry loads. YMMV Other than that, regular Tide powder is very good. Use a warm/hot enough cycle, add some time to the cycle if possible, add a pre-wash if available. I really like Tide powder. The scent has been eye crossing lately--hoping that gets sorted out soon. In the meantime, I switched over to 'Mountain Spring' scent for these loads. But this too can fade precious darks over time, so we kind of have to make a decision: fading or clean....See Moregeorgect
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